[$ieee-1850] IEEE 1850 PSL Working Group Meeting - 19 Oct 2004 - Minutes

IEEE 1850 PSL Working Group Meeting
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Location: Teleconference
Date: 19 Oct 2004

Presiding Officer: Yaron Wolfsthal, Chair
Secretary: Erich Marschner

Website: http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850

Members:
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  Accellera DR: Harry Foster
  Cadence DR: Erich Marschner; DRA: Steve Ward
  IBM DR: Yaron Wolfsthal; DRA: TBD
  Mentor Graphics DR: Steve Bailey; DRA: Tej Singh
  Synopsys DR: Surrendra Dudani; DRA: Oz Levia
  Intel DR: Limor Fix; DRA: TBD

Attendance Record:
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  Key:
      v : member with voting priveleges during last meeting
      + : present (leftmost = most recent meeting)
      _ : absent
  Members:
v (_++) Accellera (DR: Harry Foster)
v (+++) Cadence (DR: Erich Marschner)
v (+++) IBM (DR: Yaron Wolfsthal)
v (+++) Mentor Graphics (DRA: Tej Singh)
v (+++) Synopsys (DR: Surrendra Dudani)
v (+__) Intel (DR: Limor Fix)
  Observers:
     (+++) Dana Fisman (Weizmann Institute)
     (+++) Avigail Orni (IBM)
     (_++) Jin Hou (Synopsys)
     (+++) Joseph Lu (NVidia)
     (+++) Johan Mårtenson (Safelogic)
     (+++) Johan Alfredson (Safelogic)
     (_++) Peter Flake (Synopsys)
     (__+) J. Bhasker (eSilicon)
     (_++) Sitvanit Ruah (IBM)
     (+++) Tom Thatcher (Sun)
     (_++) Ben Cohen (consultant)
     (+++) Bassam Tabbara (Novas)
     (+++) Mohamed-Lyes Benalycherif (ST)
     (_+_) Richard Wallace (Northrop Grumman)
     (++_) Tej Singh (Mentor)
     (++_) Andrew Seawright (Mentor)
     (+__) Jari Kalinainen (Nokia)
     (+__) Klaus Winkelmann (Infineon)
     (+__) Adriana Maggiore (AltraVerifica)
     (+__) Steve Ward (Cadence)

Agenda:
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  Call to order
    - Attendance Roll Call
    - Patent Policy and Letters of Assurance
    - Approve Agenda
    - Approve Minutes of Last Meeting
  Old Business
    - Additional P&Ps Changes
         - Clarification of officer eligibility requirements
         - Clarification of "consensus" definition
         - Acceleration of WG membership for new corporate IEEE-SA members
    - Continuation of Funding Discussion
    - WG Schedule Update
  Subcommittee Reports
    - Issues Subcommittee: Issues Prioritization and Disposition Recommendations
  New Business
  Next Meeting
  Adjourn
    - Attendance Roll Call

Call to order:
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The meeting was called to order at 8:05am PDT.

Attendance was recorded via roll call.

The IEEE patent policy slides were presented. The working group was advised that the IEEE's Patent Policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy; that early disclosure of patents which may be essential for the use of standards under development is encouraged; that such disclosures may not be exhaustive; and that the IEEE, the working group, and the working group chair cannot ensure that the accuracy of completeness of any disclosure. An opportunity was provided for the working group members to disclose patents that might be essential for use of PSL. No patents were disclosed.

The agenda was approved. (motion: Erich; second: Klaus; no objections)

The minutes of the last meeting were approved. (motion: Erich; second: Tej; no objections)

Old Business:
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1. Clarification of officer eligibility requirements in the P&Ps

The following motion was made by Erich, seconded by Klaus, and passed with no objections:

In Section 6, paragraph 1,

replace the second sentence:

  "The Chair and Vice-Chair shall be IEEE members of any grade,
  individual IEEE-SA members, and must also be a Designated
  Representative (DR) of an entity that is a corporate IEEE-SA member."

with

  "The Chair and Vice-Chair shall each be an IEEE member of any grade,
  and also an individual IEEE-SA member, and also a Designated
  Representative (DR) of an entity that is a corporate IEEE-SA member."

2. Clarification of "consensus" definition in the P&Ps

The following motion was made by Erich, seconded by Klaus, and passed with no objections:

In Section 3, last paragraph,

replace the last sentence:

  "Consensus is defined as a majority agreement, but not unanimity."

with

  "Consensus is defined as a majority agreement; unanimity is not required."

3. Acceleration of WG membership for new corporate IEEE-SA members

The general understanding of the WG has been that 'membership' in the working group is not only by entity, but that an entity must be a corporate member of the IEEE-SA in order to be a member (and therefore to have voting rights). Given this understanding, a question was raised about when an entity would become a member of the WG if (a) a representative of the entity had been participating as an observer for 2 or more consecutive meetings, and (b) the entity became a corporate member of the IEEE-SA - i.e., whether the entity's DR would have to attend 2 more meetings after the entity became a corporate IEEE-SA member before the entity would be considered a member of the working group, or whether membership would be granted immediately after the entity became an IEEE-SA corporate member.

In investigating this issue, it appears that the P&Ps do not explicitly state that corporate IEEE-SA membership is required for an entity to be a member of the WG. Since the question is based upon the understanding that this is required, we need to clarify the definition of requirements for membership in the working group before considering the question at hand.

Action Item:
  Erich - review definition of "member", and talk with Chuck Adams about the intent of the CAG in this area.
    
4. Continuation of Funding Discussion

The services available from the IEEE, the degree to which we will need those services, and the potential requirement for funding to contract for those services, was reviewed. The lack of a clear need for such services was discussed, leading to a suggestion that we wait until a clear need is present before we pursue such services. At the same time, it was noted that the $10K which Accellera has apparently alloted for IEEE 1850 support might disappear if not committed soon. The working group concluded that we should invite Ed Rashba to present to the working group regarding the services available from the IEEE and their associated costs. It was agreed that we should hold this presentation at the next meeting, if possible.

Action items:
 Yaron - contact Ed and arrange a presentation on IEEE services
 Erich - put together a presentation on the standardization process

5. WG Schedule Update

Deferred until we have more information on the schedule constraints.

Subcommittee Reports:
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1. Issues Subcommittee: Issues Prioritization and Disposition Recommendations

Based on average prioritization scores received from 13 respondants, and upon discussion leading to consensus among the subcommittee meeting attendees, the existing 35 issues and 9 additional issues were classified as follows:

 - Rejected: we should not pursue these at all.
 - LRM: these are simple enough to pass to the LRM subcommittee immediately
 - Extensions: these are complex enough to require discussion in the Extensions subcommittee
 - Out of Scope: these are considered out of scope w.r.t. the IEEE 1850 effort

The results were as follows:

Rejected - 14, 16, 18, 22, 24, 28, 29, 32, 35.
LRM - 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 13, 27, 36, 37.
Extensions - 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 26, 30, 31, 33, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44.
Out of Scope - 34.

[The priorities proposed by the Issues subcommittee were discussed during the meeting, but not in detail. The following detailed summary is presented here for the record.]

For LRM items, the priorities were as follows:

Priority Issues
   5 1,2,3,4,6
   4 13, 27
   3 --
   2 36
   1 --

For Extensions items, the priorities were as follows:

Priority Issues
   5 7,8,9,10,11,12,15,17
   4 5,21,23,30,31,33
   3 19,20,25
   2 26
   1 --

New issues 36 through 44 have not yet been assigned priorities.

New Business:
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1. Discussion of forall issue on the reflector: moved to the Extensions subcommittee

2. Discussion about possible changes regarding the reflector and mail archiving
  - should we have separate reflectors for subcommittees
     - would be easier to follow issues
     - would avoid subgroup discussions getting lost
  - need to remove addresses from email archive, to avoid spam
  - can we change format to use a fixed-space font?

Action Items:
  Erich - contact Steve Grout about the above
  Erich - remind Harry to delete email addresses from the roster

Next Meeting:
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The next meeting of the working group will be held on Tuesday October 26 from 8am-10am PDT. Agenda and teleconference information have been sent out separately.

Adjournment
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Attendance was checked again, by roll call.

The meeting was adjourned at 10:00am PDT.
Received on Mon Oct 25 12:20:47 2004