-- IEEE 1850 PSL Working Group Meeting ============================== Location: Teleconference Date: 14 Dec 2004 Presiding Officer: Yaron Wolfsthal, Vice-Chair Secretary: Erich Marschner Website: http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850 Members: ======== Accellera DR: Harry Foster DRA: Victor Berman Cadence DR: Erich Marschner; DRA: Steve Ward IBM DR: Yaron Wolfsthal; DRAs: Avigail Orni, Cindy Eisner, Sitvanit Ruah, Dana Fisman Mentor Graphics DR: Steve Bailey; DRA: Tej Singh Lapsed: ======= Synopsys DR: Surrendra Dudani; DRA: Oz Levia Infineon DR: Klaus Winkelmann Attendance Record: ================== Key: v : member (= voting priveleges) during this meeting + : present (leftmost = most recent meeting) _ : absent Members: v (+_+++++_++) Accellera (DR: Harry Foster) (rep. by DRA: Victor Berman) v (++++++++++) Cadence (DR: Erich Marschner) v (++++++++++) IBM (DR: Yaron Wolfsthal) v (++++++++++) Mentor Graphics (DR: Steve Bailey) (++_+_+++++) Synopsys (DR: Surrendra Dudani) (+__+++_+__) Infineon (DR: Klaus Winkelmann) Observers: (++++++++++) Avigail Orni (IBM) (++++++++++) Johan Mårtenson (Safelogic) (++++++_+++) Johan Alfredson (Safelogic) (++++_+__++) Sitvanit Ruah (IBM) (+++_++++__) Jari Kalinainen (Nokia) (+_++_+++++) Mohamed-Lyes Benalycherif (ST) (+_+_++++++) Tom Thatcher (Sun) (_++++++++_) Tej Singh (Mentor) (_+++__++++) Dana Fisman (IBM/Weizmann Institute) (_+_++_+++_) Andrew Seawright (Mentor) (__++_+++++) Joseph Lu (NVidia) (__++_+____) Andrea Fedeli (__++__++++) Bassam Tabbara (Novas) (__+_++_+__) Adriana Maggiore (AltraVerifica) Inactive: (___+__+___) Makarand Joshi (Cadence) (____+_+___) Cindy Eisner (IBM) (_____+_+__) Steve Ward (Cadence) (_______+__) Limor Fix (Intel) (________++) Jin Hou (Synopsys) (________++) Peter Flake (Synopsys) (________++) Ben Cohen (consultant) (________+_) Richard Wallace (Northrop Grumman) (_________+) J. Bhasker (eSilicon) Agenda: ======= Agenda: Call to order - Attendance Roll Call - Patent Policy and Letters of Assurance - Approve Agenda - Approve Minutes of Last Meeting Old Business - Membership Issue Update - Schedule Review - IEEE Support Services Update - Coordination with Other IEEE Working Groups Subcommittee Reports - Issues Subcommittee - Extensions Subcommittee - LRM Subcommittee New Business - Coordination with other IEEE standards Next Meeting Adjourn - Attendance Roll Call Call to order: ============== The meeting was called to order at 8:06am PST. Attendance was recorded via roll call. The IEEE patent policy slides were presented. The working group was advised that the IEEE's Patent Policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy; that early disclosure of patents which may be essential for the use of standards under development is encouraged; that such disclosures may not be exhaustive; and that the IEEE, the working group, and the working group chair cannot ensure the accuracy or completeness of any disclosure. An opportunity was provided for the working group members to disclose patents that might be essential for use of PSL. No patents were disclosed. The agenda was approved. (Motion: Erich; second: Victor: no objections) [Due to a problem with IEEE-1850 reflector, minutes from the last meeting had not been delivered to the working group members before the start of this meeting, and therefore we could not vote immediately to approve the minutes. To deal with this, the minutes to the last meeting were emailed directly to all participants attending this meeting, and participants were given some time to review the minutes during this meeting before a motion was made to approve them.] The minutes of the last meeting were approved. (Motion: Erich; second: SteveB; no objections) Old Business: ============= 1. Membership Issue Update As of last meeting, Infineon membership lapsed due to failure to attend 2 of the last 3 meetings. According to the P&Ps, Infineon membership will be restored after attendance at two successive meetings. Pending action items: AI: Erich to propose revised text to clarify P&Ps [to reflect intent of membership = voting priveleges]. AI: Johan M. to work with Erich to propose such an amendment [to accelerate membership of new IEEE-SA members]. Johan M. proposed a change to address this, and identified some of the ambiguities regarding membership and voting rights - see http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850/hm/0089.html. The proposal was discussed, and the working group agreed to vote on this proposal by email, after the meeting. Erich agreed to issue the proposal for ballot. 2. Schedule Review The schedule spreadsheet is posted on the web, at: http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850/docs/P1850-Schedule.xls Draft LRM changes are due by December 15, and final changes by December 30. We skipped over the schedule review, since Harry was not present. Harry still plans to review the schedule with Andrew Ickowicz from IEEE, and update it as necessary. 3. IEEE Support Services Erich summarized previous discussions regarding the need to purchased IEEE funded services to complete the development of IEEE 1850 PSL. Based on information provided by Steve B. regarding the IEEE 1800 graduated scale of fees, the following fee scale for IEEE 1850 was proposed: Revenue % $ ========================= >$1B 100% $3.5K >$100M 60% $2.1K >$10M 20% $0.7K 0% $0.0 This assumes that Accellera would contribute approximately $20K and that approximately anothe $20K would come from the WG members. It further assumes that the following entities would be working group members and would contribute the funds according to the above scale: Cadence, IBM, Nokia, Infineon, Synopsys - $3.5K Mentor - $2.1K SafeLogic - $0.7K Given these assumptions, this would provide $20.3K in addition to the $20K expected from Accellera. Two options were discussed regarding assessment of this fee: 1. A one-time fee, with commitment required by some deadline (e.g., Jan 1, 2005), and no admission of members after that. 2. An annual WG membership fee, which would build in support for IEEE funded services in subsequent years, to support on-going standardization beyond June 2005; this would also allow admission of new members at any time, upon payment of the annual WG membership fee (possibly pro-rated to reflect the period of time left in the year) and satisfaction of other WG membership requirements (IEEE-SA corporate membership and attendance requirements). Steve B. argued in favor of the second approach, and also suggested that the numbers might be rounded up a bit (e.g., $2.1K -> $2.5K). There were no objections to either point. The working group decided to ballot this proposal immediately, given its time-critical nature. It was suggested that all WG participants (including those who are not yet members, but may become members) be allowed to vote on this issue, since it will affect future members. Erich agreed to document the proposal and send it out for ballot. 4. Coordination with Other IEEE Working Groups Coordination with IEEE 1666 SystemC - no WG members in both; Erich will coordinate with Stuart Swan or alternative in 1666 Coordination with IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog - Surrendra reported that the committee is winding down - Surrendra will send out an email on what changes have occurred in SVA Coordination with IEEE 1076 VHDL - Steve: no changes since last meeting Subcommittee Reports: ===================== 1. Issues Subcommittee (Erich) The Issues List (at http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850/Issues/Issues.html) has not been updated since last week. (Two new issues have been reported, but they are not yet posted on the web page.) 2. Extensions Subcommittee (Erich) The Extensions SC has been focusing on Group I: forall issues. In addition, Johan M. has been working on specifying changes for Group B: prev/rose/fell initial values. 3. LRM Subcommittee (Harry) No activity in the LRM SC this past week. New Business: ============= None. Next Meeting: ============= The next meeting of the working group will be held on Tuesday December 21 from 8am-10am PDT. Agenda and teleconference information will be sent out shortly. Adjournment =========== Attendance was checked again, by roll call. Motion to adjourn - (motion: Victor; second: Klaus; no objections) The meeting was adjourned at approximately 8:53am PST. (A meeting of the Extensions SC followed the WG meeting, from 8:54am until 10:07am PST.) ============================================================================Received on Tue Dec 14 15:14:55 2004
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