IEEE 1850 PSL Working Group Meeting =================================== Location: Teleconference Date: 12 June 2007 Presiding Officer: Harry Foster, Chair Secretary: Erich Marschner Website: http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850 Members: ======== Cadence DR: Erich Marschner; DRA: Steve Ward IBM DR: Avigail Orni; DRAs: Cindy Eisner, Sitvanit Ruah, Dana Fisman, Dmitry Pidan Mentor Graphics DR: Harry Foster; DRA: Tej Singh Synopsys DR: Surrendra Dudani Jasper DR: Johan Mårtenson; DRA: open * Intel DR: Dmitry Korchemny; DRA: Alexander Levin * Accellera DR: open; DRA: open * Sun DR: Tom Thatcher * Nokia DR: open * membership lapsed due to missing 2 or more consecutive meetings Attendees: Erich, Surrendra, Sami, Dana, Harry, Avigail Attendance Record: ================== Key: v : member (= voting priveleges) during this meeting + : present _ : absent - : absent (but optional meeting) Leftmost char = most recent meeting | : approval of IEEE 1850 PSL (22 Sep 05) * : official meeting - counts towards membership - : unofficial meeting - does not affect membership (*********|*-******************) Members: v (+++++++++|++++++++++++++++++++) Cadence (DR: Erich Marschner) v (+++++++++|++++++++++++++++++++) IBM (DR: Avigail Orni) v (+++++____|++++_+++++++++++++++) Mentor Graphics (DR: Harry Foster) v (++++++_++|++++++++++++_+_+++++) Synopsys (DR: Surrendra Dudani) v (_++_+++++|++++++++++++++++++++) Jasper (DR: Johan Mårtenson) Pending Members: (+______++|+++++++++++++_++++__) Nokia (DR: Sami Maisnemi) (Pending members become members upon attending two successive WG meetings.) Lapsed Members: (____+++++|+++_++______________) Intel (DR: Dmitry Korchemny) (_____++++|++++++_++++_+++++_++) Accellera (DR: open) (_____+_++|++++++++_++_+_++++++) Sun (DR: Tom Thatcher) (Lapsed members are those that have missed 2 of the past 3 meetings.) Following is a record of individual attendance, which is recorded separately to cope with changes in affiliation and representation, as well as to recognize the participation of individuals who are "observers" rather than representatives of corporate members. Representatives: (+++++++++|++++++_++++_+++++_++) Harry Foster (Mentor Graphics) (+++++++++|++++++++++++++++++++) Erich Marschner (Cadence) (+++++++++|+++___++__++++++++++) Avigail Orni (IBM) (++++++_++|++++++++++++_+_+++++) Surrendra Dudani (Synopsys) (+________|____________________) Sami Maisniemi (Nokia) (_++_+++++|++++++++++++++++++++) Johan Mårtenson (Jasper) Observers: (_++++++++|__________++++_+__++) Sitvanit Ruah (IBM) (_+++_+_++|____________________) Dmitry Pidan (IBM) (_+__+++++|_++_++++++____+_+___) Cindy Eisner (IBM) (_+__+___+|++___________+__+___) Makarand Joshi (Cadence) (_+_______|____________________) Ramin Hojati (Averant) (+_++__+_+|_+_+_______+++__++++) Dana Fisman (IBM/Weizmann Institute) (___+__+++|___+_+++__________+_) Richard Wallace (Northrop Grumman) Inactive: (____+++++|++++++++++++++++++++) Yaron Wolfsthal (IBM) (____+++++|____________________) Dmitry Korchemny (Intel) (____++_+_|+++_________________) Sylvain Boucher (Philips) (_____+_++|++++++++_++_+_++++++) Tom Thatcher (Sun) (_______++|___++_+_____++_+++++) Joseph Lu (Altera) (_______++|____________________) Elaine Leingang (SanDisk) (_______+_|_______+__+__+++_+__) Klaus Winkelmann (OneSpin Solutions) (_______++|+++++++++++++_++++__) Jari Kalinainen ((no longer with) Nokia) (________+|____+++++___++_+____) Andrea Fedeli (ST) (_________|++++_+++++++++++++++) Steve Bailey (Mentor Graphics) (_________|+++_++______________) Alex Levin (Intel) (_________|++++_+++++_++++++++_) Tej Singh (Mentor) (_________|__++_++____+_++_+++_) Andrew Seawright (Mentor) (_________|__++_+_++_+_++_+++++) Mohamed-Lyes Benalycherif (ST) (_________|__+__+______++__++++) Bassam Tabbara (Novas (now Synopsys)) (_________|__+____________+_+__) Steve Ward (Cadence) (_________|_____+++++++++++_+++) Johan Alfredson ((no longer with) Jasper) (_________|______++____+_++_+__) Adriana Maggiore (OneSpin Solutions) (_________|_________________+__) Limor Fix (Intel) (_________|__________________++) Jin Hou (Synopsys) (_________|__________________++) Peter Flake (Synopsys (now Imperas)) (_________|__________________++) Ben Cohen (consultant) (_________|___________________+) J. Bhasker (eSilicon) Agenda: ======= Call to order - Attendance Roll Call - Review Patent Policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt - Approve Agenda http://www.eda-stds.org/ieee-1850/hm/0252.html (agenda for 12 June 07) - Approve Minutes of Last Meeting http://www.eda-stds.org/ieee-1850/hm/0250.html (minutes for 27 Mar 07) Old Business Subcommittee Reports - Issues Subcommittee update New Business - Issue Prioritization and Goals for next release - Work schedule discussion - External reviews of proposed changes for user feedback Next Meeting Adjourn - Attendance Roll Call Call to order: ============== The meeting was called to order at 9:05am PST. Attendance was recorded via roll call. The IEEE patent policy was presented. The working group was advised that the IEEE's Patent Policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy; that early disclosure of patents which may be essential for the use of standards under development is encouraged; that such disclosures may not be exhaustive; and that the IEEE, the working group, and the working group chair cannot ensure the accuracy or completeness of any disclosure. An opportunity was provided for the working group members to disclose patents that might be essential for use of PSL. No patents were disclosed. The agenda was approved. (Motion: Avigail; second: Erich; no objections) The minutes of the last meeting (27 March) were approved. (Motion: Erich, second: Avigail; no objections) Old Action Items: ================= Harry will invite Dmitry K. to present his LTL proposal to the IEEE 1850 WG. Old Business: ============= none Subcommittee Reports: ===================== Issues Subcommittee update Sitvanit was not present. Erich gave a brief summary of the work on vunit architecture, and the current state of that discussion. Surrendra asked whether the proposed changes would be backward compatible. Erich replied that they would be, except for proposed restrictions on the interaction between binding and inheritance, but that these restrictions largely prohibit only meaningless or non-portable constructions, so practically speaking they would not likely inhibit existing usages. A slide presentation regarding the vunit work is available on the web page, at http://www.eda-stds.org/ieee-1850/docs/Verification%20Units%20-%2027Mar07.pdf. New Business: ============= 1. Issue Prioritization and Goals for next release This item was addressed in conjunction with the following item. 2. Work schedule discussion Harry asks that committee members send him an email regarding their vacation schedule this summer (July-August), to help plan when WG meetings will occur. Harry gave an overview of the schedule: - goal is new version by Fall 2008 - which implies that balloting begin in March/April 2008 - which implies that LRM writing begin by December 2008 - which implies that we wrap up technical work by December 2008 Harry will propose a (revised) schedule reflecting the above dates. Avigail suggested that Sitvanit should review the Issues list, propose an overall schedule for the remaining work, and identify which issues we would be willing to leave unaddressed in this version, if necessary. We discussed whether we will need editorial support at all this time. This probably depends upon the extent of changes, which remains to be seen. 3. External reviews of proposed changes for user feedback We discussed a proposal to hold external reviews of proposed language changes, to get user feedback before committing the changes to the LRM. This would also be an opportunity to encourage users to participate in the working group. Harry suggested a WebEx meeting as a venue for this. The goal would be to understand how users feel about (a) the importance of each change we are considering, (b) whether the change will address user requirements, and (c) whether there are alternative, workable proposals that might be considered instead. We discussed the schedule for such an event. The earliest date considered was sometime in July. An alternative - one event in September, a second in November - was also suggested. It was noted that a fair amount of preparation will be necessary, to complete proposals for language changes, draft LRM language, and create presentations. At the same time, it would be good to get early feedback on direction, for issues for which we don't yet have detailed proposals. It was noted that we need to strike a balance between these two. Dana raised a concern about the possibility that external reviewers would object to a proposal they don't like, but would not contribute to resolving their objections. We discussed the need to set participants' expectations correctly, and to encourage them to participate in the working group, especially if they would like to see the language evolve in a direction that is different from what we are proposing. We agreed that the next Issues SC meeting should look into the overall status of issues currently being addressed, to determine what could be presented when. To that end, and also as part of the normal process, we need to document issue resolutions of various issues, and post them on the web. We agreed that we will need to have a small group focus on planning for one or more external reviews. The IEEE 1850 officers should be involved, but working group participants are also welcome. Harry will send out a call for participation in this effort. Erich raised a question about whether IEEE rules might inhibit our ability to hold an external review. Harry will ask Victor Berman about this. New Action Items: ================= Members: notify Harry when you will be available for Tuesday WG meetings in July/August. Sitvanit: review Issues list and propose schedule for remaining Issues work Harry: propose a (revised) schedule through the Fall 2008 target date. Harry: send out a call for participation in the External Review planning subcommittee Harry: check with Victor regarding public review of proposed changes Next Meeting: ============= The next full working group meeting will occur in July. The date remains to be determined, based on participants' availability. The next meeting of the Issues subcommittee will occur on 19 June 2007, at 9am PDT. Adjournment: ============ Avigail motioned for adjournment, seconded by Erich. The meeting was adjourned at approximately 9:49am PDT. 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