Minutes of the November 8, 2004 SV-BC Meeting (Design Modeling Committee) 02121 Day 85173 11100 Month 10099 00000 Year 44444 aaaaa Matt Maidment - Intel aaaaa Brad Pierce - Synopsys aaaa- Karen Pieper - Synopsys aa-aa Dan Jacobi - Intel aaaaa Dave Rich - Mentor Graphics aa-aa Francoise Martinolle- Cadence aaaaa Mark Hartoog - Synopsys a-aa- Rishiyur Nikhil - Bluespec aaaaa Cliff Cummings - Sunburst Design aaaaa Steven Sharp - Cadence ----- Mike MacNamara - Verisity aa-a- Stuart Sutherland - Sutherland HDL aa-a- Don Mills - LCDM Engineering -aaaa Logie Ramachandran - Synopsys aaaaa Surrendra Dudani - Synopsys aaa-a Doug Warmke - Mentor Graphics aaa-- Kathy McKinley - Cadence from 1364 ETF --a-- Steve Dovich - Cadence aaa-- Greg Jaxson - Synopsys -a--- Jonathan Bradford - Micronas Agenda: +The IEEE patent policy was reviewed http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt +Dave moves to accept the minutes of the previous meeting: http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/hm/2094.html Dan Jacobi seconds. No oppose. No abstain. Motion passes. +Update from Net datatype subgroup NOTE: 1st Draft of proposal due Nov 11. Would like to hold special meeting of SV-BC on Nov 15 to review. Group agreed to meet, Monday Nov 15 from 10-11am. Matt to confirm with Karen/Steven based on rearrangement of ETF & BTF meetings. Will use SV-BC dial-in. +Discussion of issues that did not pass recent email vote 012: Brad updated proposal per Dave Rich's feedback. Dave moves accept proposal as modified. Brad seconds No oppose No abstain Motion passes 038: Discussion centered on dynamically sized types. No consensus was reached. Dave will refine proposal to address these issues. 119: Brad updated proposal based on Surrendra's feedback. Brad moves to accept updated proposal. Mark seconds. No oppose. No abstain. Motion Passes. 163: Steven's position on the issue changed based on discussions following the email vote. Doug moves to accept proposal. Nikhil seconds No oppose Steven abstains Motion passes. 258: After further review, Greg realized that his objection was not practical. Brad moves to accept proposal Danny seconds No oppose No abstain Motion Passes. +Discussion Nov 22nd meeting conflicts with P1800 meeting. Nov 22nd meeting will be rescheduled to Nov 23rd, 2-4pm. PST Likely date for last meeting before deadline is: Tue Nov 30th, 9-11am PST Matt will send out meeting schedule. 254: Brad submitted revised proposal. Two friendly amendments were identified: CHANGE: If no key is used, then an apostrophe can be used instead of the explicit type prefix. TO: Otherwise, an apostrophe can be used instead of the explicit type prefix. CHANGE 7.14 TO: 7.13 Steven moves to accept proposal with the above friendly amendments. Greg seconds No oppose. Doug Abstains. Motion Passes. 27: Mark raised a concern that such a change should be done consistently with other, similar situations (parameter overrides, function return type). No consensus on direction was reached. 216: Steven requested feedback as to the preferred variant in his current proposal. Please send e-mail to the reflector. 38: Dave Proposal uploaded, ready for vote? 37: Brad Informal proposal in issue. 170: Dave Proposal uploaded, ready for vote? 213: Steven Proposal uploaded. Passed SV-EC straw poll. 217: Steven Proposal uploaded 218: Brad Proposal uploaded 220: Steven Proposal uploaded 226: Brad Proposal uploaded, needs more discussion? Next email vote will include: 291: Doug Proposal uploaded 223: Brad Brad to post update, then ready for email. 272: Doug Proposal uploaded 273: Doug Proposal uploaded 285: Brad Proposal uploaded Matt will contact the owners of the issues below for update on status and potential for a proposal in near term. Immediate Priority Issues ------------------------- 21 Mark Hartoog 23 Nikhil (10/29) 24 Mark Hartoog 26 Cliff Cummings 51 Francoise Martinolle 74 Nikhil (10/29) ** 94 Brad Pierce (close pending 254) 101 Francoise Martinolle *102 Brad Pierce (9/27) move to close 103 Mark Hartoog 110 Cliff Cummings / Don Mills **112 Brad Pierce (close pending 254) 145 Matt Maidment (11/8 - needs clarification from JEITA) **146 Brad Pierce (close pending 254) 214 Needs more discussion 226 Brad Pierce- warning/error debate Action Items Completed 10/11/04 Karen File erratum to update SV LRM refs from 1364-2001 to 1364-2005 10/11/04 Brad 39: change wording to non-negative to rows 3 & 4 / 5 & 6 10/11/04 Brad 43: Keep second sentence change for 10.4. strike first change. 10/11/04 Dave 76: Fix typo Pending 09/27/04 Steven Review 221 for possible inclusion in immediate priority issues to be resolved. 10/11/04 Dave Related to 157, File new errata for continuous driver (assign) 11/08/04 Matt Add recent minutes to SV-BC web page 11/08/04 Matt Confirm Nov 15th net data type review meeting time with Karen Pieper & Steven Sharp. 11/08/04 Brad Notify Matt when proposal for 223 is updated 11/08/04 Matt Send out tentative meeting schedule through Dec 1.