SV-BC Committee Meeting Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 Time: 09:00am-11:00am PDT Toll Free Dial In Number: (888)635-9997 International Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (763)315-6815 PARTICIPANT CODE: 53904 3131010001020211 Day 0406295588439514 0000000001111000 Month 5544433212200998 0000000000000000 Year 7777777776666666 aaaaaaaa---aaaaa Matt Maidment - Intel aaaaa-aaaaaaaaaa Brad Pierce - Synopsys aaaa-aaaaaaaaaaa Shalom Bresticker - Intel -aaa-aaaaaa-aaaa Cliff Cummings - Sunburst Design --a-aaaaaaaaaaa- Surrendra Dudani - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Mark Hartoog - Synopsys -a-a-aaaaa-a-aaa Francoise Martinolle - Cadence -aaaaa-aaaaaaaaa Karen Pieper - Synopsys aaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa Dave Rich - Mentor Graphics aaaaaaaaaaa-aaaa Steven Sharp - Cadence aa-aa-a-aaaaaaaa Gordon Vreugdenhil - Mentor Graphics aaaa-aa-a--aaaaa Stu Sutherland - Sutherland HDL a-aaaaa--------- Alex Gran - Mentor Graphics aaaa-aa-a-aaaaa- Don Mills - LCDM Engineering a-aaaaaaaaa-aaaa Heath Chambers - Consultant/Trainer -------aa---aa-a Doug Warmke - Mentor Graphics ---------------a Rishiyur Nikhil - Bluespec ---------a-aaaaa Logie Ramachandran - Synopsys Agenda + Review IEEE patent policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Reviewed. + Review Minutes of Previous Meeting http://www.eda-stds.org/sv-bc/minutes/sv-bc_07_05_14.txt Gord moves to accept the minutes. Shalom seconds. No opposed. Abstain: Heath (not in attendance) Motion passes. + Status of Draft 3 Review No one reported progress. + SVDB 1809 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001809) No rule to resolve a simple task/function call that is defined in $unit. When does it happen? Is it lexical, hierarchical? There is a rule for looking in the instance tree. There is a rule for looking in $unit but the two need to be reconciled. There is no general consensus on this topic. Gord advocates preference to lexical binding. Mark advocates hierarchical binding. Gord will send more details on lexical approach to reflector (and to be noted in SVDB 1809). Hierarchical binding approach needs to be expanded on in order to be considered. Action Item: Matt to send an email ballot covering http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000965 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001004 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001064 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001101 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001111 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001400 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001562 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001589 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001620 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001641 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001651 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001660 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001748 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001749 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001783 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001788 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001814 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001821 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001825 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001257 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001499 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001505 http://www.eda.org/mantis/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001746 Deferred for future agenda: + SVDB 227 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000227) + SVDB 1846 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001846) Action Items Complete 05/14/2007 Matt to post assignments for Draft 3 review. (See: http://www.eda-stds.org/sv-bc/1800_2008_Review_Draft3.xls) 05/14/2007 Matt to update resolved issues in SVDB. Note: Issues now in Feedback status. 05/22/2006 Gord file issue regarding scoping & forward visibility in $unit. Note: SVDB 1809 06/19/2006 Gord raise the issue of support of dynamic data in vcd to SV-EC. Note: Gord raised the issue. There were no takers on the issue due to the complexity of the issues. Unless someone decides to champion this, there will likely be no action on this. 12/18/2006 Gord open Mantis item about expressibility/flexibility problems of unique case Note: SVDB 1711 02/05/2007 Matt to send list of issues targeted for March 15 resolution Drop: No longer relevant. Pending 01/09/2006 Shalom add example for issue 1254 describing situation for rule 3 03/27/2006 Cliff post examples demonstrating the need for 0-1 wildcard to justify further action on SVDB 99 Other ideas: elsex, defaultx, ifx, alwaysx, initialx, Question: what about X expression in index of Vector or array expressions (a[i] where i === 'X). Cliff to pursue further action. 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1386 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1078 06/19/2006 Francoise check with SV-CC regariding suitability of data read API to address debugging of "dynamic data" in lieu of vcd extensions. 07/10/2006 Steve add bugnote to 1043 about specifics for resolution 07/31/2006 Steve add bug note to 1481 with details for a clearer proposal 09/25/2006 Matt add SVDB entry to request capability to packages: import/export & non-exported (local) package declarations. 10/09/2006 Brad: enhance 1554 proposal to prevent circularity of expressions (address use or non-use of hierarchical references). 10/23/2006 Matt send example of use of forward typedef. 12/04/2006 Shalom present compelling example of `begin_define -- `end_define 12/18/2006 Cliff open Mantis item about 'predefault' with compelling examples 01/08/2007 Vendors to describe interpretation of a path when there are multiple drivers involved and share test cases on reflector. 03/05/2007 ALL look at SV-AC items and send Matt a note if you require more information to address them. Matt will work with SV-AC to get additional information. 03/19/2007 Cliff send e-mail to Karen regarding SVDB account 04/26/2007 All file remaining draft 2 issues to SVDB 04/26/2007 Matt: update old 'resolved' Mantis items to point new draft sections. 04/26/2007 All: Revisit concept of memory in Draft 3 05/30/2007 Matt send an email ballot