SV-BC Committee Meeting Date: Monday June 11, 2007 Time: 09:00am-11:00am PDT Toll Free Dial In Number: (888)635-9997 International Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (763)315-6815 PARTICIPANT CODE: 53904 13131010001020211 Day 10406295588439514 00000000001111000 Month 65544433212200998 00000000000000000 Year 77777777776666666 aaaaaaaaa---aaaaa Matt Maidment - Intel aaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaa Brad Pierce - Synopsys aaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaa Shalom Bresticker - Intel a-aaa-aaaaaa-aaaa Cliff Cummings - Sunburst Design a--a-aaaaaaaaaaa- Surrendra Dudani - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Mark Hartoog - Synopsys a-a-a-aaaaa-a-aaa Francoise Martinolle - Cadence a-aaaaa-aaaaaaaaa Karen Pieper - Synopsys aaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa Dave Rich - Mentor Graphics aaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaa Steven Sharp - Cadence aaa-aa-a-aaaaaaaa Gordon Vreugdenhil - Mentor Graphics aaaaa-aa-a--aaaaa Stu Sutherland - Sutherland HDL aa-aaaaa--------- Alex Gran - Mentor Graphics aaaaa-aa-a-aaaaa- Don Mills - LCDM Engineering aa-aaaaaaaaa-aaaa Heath Chambers - Consultant/Trainer --------aa---aa-a Doug Warmke - Mentor Graphics ----------------a Rishiyur Nikhil - Bluespec ----------a-aaaaa Logie Ramachandran - Synopsys Agenda + Review IEEE patent policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Reviewed. + Review Minutes of Previous Meeting http://www.eda-stds.org/sv-bc/minutes/sv-bc_07_05_30.txt Heath moves to accept minutes. Stu seconds. No opposed. Abstain: Karen (not present at May 30th meeting) Motion passes. + Status of Draft 3 Review Reviewers, please provide brief update on progress + Issues Re-opened Karen re-opened items previously closed due to time constraints. Up to committees to address as appropriate. + Email Vote Results Failing issues to-date: SVDB 1004 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001004) Proposal covers only self-determined context. Needs to be reworked along the lines of Steven's suggestion: "The first and second expressions are extended to the same width, as described in [section_number]." Shalom believes 11.7.2 is the appropriate section. AI: Shalom will update proposal. SVDB 1064 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001064) Needs more input on frequency of use to help decide whether or not to adopt this proposal. AI: Vendors evaluate impact to backward compatibility. SVDB 1111 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001111) Stu took action item to reword proposal. SVDB 1143 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001143) Cliff moves to resolve 1143. Steve seconds. Opposed: Shalom (would be a useful capability in concatenations) Don (wants integer to be recognized as a 32-bit value) No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1400 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001400) Gord moves to accept proposal. Brad seconds. Opposed: Cliff (rule b breaks many existing designs) Heath (rule b breaks many existing designs) No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1589 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001589) Shalom: strike semicolon in syntax Steven: change string variable to string value Steven moves as amended. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. AI: Shalom to update proposal. SVDB 1641 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001641) Dave and Stu suggest moving these to appropriate section covering system tasks and functions. AI: Matt to notify SV-AC. SVDB 1666 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001666) Cliff moves to accept Mark seconds. No Opposed. Abstain: Stu (did not have time to review examples) Motion passes. SVDB 1825 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001825) Not the same as 1807. Gord proposes to resolve issue as won't be addressed. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1831 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001831) Stu moves to resolve issue as no change was deemed required. Gord seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1850 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001850) AI: Mark to attempt definition of 'variation' Discussion to be continued during next meeting. 10:58 Cliff moved to adjourn meeting. Reminder: Next meeting June 25. + Other Issues to be addressed in future meeting or email vote SVDB 227 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000227) SVDB 1846 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001846) SVDB 677 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/view.php?id=677) SVDB 1119 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/view.php?id=1119) SVDB 1280 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/view.php?id=1280) SVDB 1341 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/view.php?id=1341) SVDB 1814 (http://www.eda-stds.org/svdb/view.php?id=1814) Action Items Complete 05/30/2007 Matt send an email ballot 04/26/2007 All file remaining draft 2 issues to SVDB Pending 01/09/2006 Shalom file new issure related to SVDB 1254 and include example 03/27/2006 Cliff post examples demonstrating the need for 0-1 wildcard to justify further action on SVDB 99 Other ideas: elsex, defaultx, ifx, alwaysx, initialx, Question: what about X expression in index of Vector or array expressions (a[i] where i === 'X). Cliff to pursue further action. 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1386 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1078 06/19/2006 Francoise check with SV-CC regariding suitability of data read API to address debugging of "dynamic data" in lieu of vcd extensions. 07/10/2006 Steve add bugnote to 1043 about specifics for resolution 07/31/2006 Steve add bug note to 1481 with details for a clearer proposal 09/25/2006 Matt add SVDB entry to request capability to packages: import/export & non-exported (local) package declarations. 10/09/2006 Brad: enhance 1554 proposal to prevent circularity of expressions (address use or non-use of hierarchical references). 10/23/2006 Matt send example of use of forward typedef. 12/04/2006 Shalom present compelling example of `begin_define -- `end_define 12/18/2006 Cliff open Mantis item about 'predefault' with compelling examples 01/08/2007 Vendors to describe interpretation of a path when there are multiple drivers involved and share test cases on reflector. 03/05/2007 ALL look at SV-AC items and send Matt a note if you require more information to address them. Matt will work with SV-AC to get additional information. 03/19/2007 Cliff send e-mail to Karen regarding SVDB account 04/26/2007 Matt: update old 'resolved' Mantis items to point new draft sections. 04/26/2007 All: Revisit concept of memory in Draft 3 06/11/2007 Shalom update proposal for SVDB 1004 06/11/2007 Stu reword proposal for SVDB 1111 06/11/2007 All choose direction for SVDB 1064 based on usage input 06/11/2007 Shalom update proposal for SVDB 1589 06/11/2007 Matt notify SV-AC to update 1641 to system task/function section 06/11/2007 Mark attemp to define 'variation' in context of resolving SVDB 1850