SV-BC Meeting Minutes Date: Monday June 25, 2007 Time: 09:00am-11:00am PDT Toll Free Dial In Number: (888)635-9997 International Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (763)315-6815 PARTICIPANT CODE: 53904 213131010001020211 Day 510406295588439514 000000000001111000 Month 665544433212200998 000000000000000000 Year 777777777776666666 aaaaaaaaaa---aaaaa Matt Maidment - Intel aaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaa Brad Pierce - Synopsys aaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaa Shalom Bresticker - Intel aa-aaa-aaaaaa-aaaa Cliff Cummings - Sunburst Design aa--a-aaaaaaaaaaa- Surrendra Dudani - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Mark Hartoog - Synopsys aa-a-a-aaaaa-a-aaa Francoise Martinolle - Cadence -a-aaaaa-aaaaaaaaa Karen Pieper - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa Dave Rich - Mentor Graphics aaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaa Steven Sharp - Cadence aaaa-aa-a-aaaaaaaa Gordon Vreugdenhil - Mentor Graphics aaaaaa-aa-a--aaaaa Stu Sutherland - Sutherland HDL aaa-aaaaa--------- Alex Gran - Mentor Graphics aaaaaa-aa-a-aaaaa- Don Mills - LCDM Engineering aaa-aaaaaaaaa-aaaa Heath Chambers - Consultant/Trainer ---------aa---aa-a Doug Warmke - Mentor Graphics -----------------a Rishiyur Nikhil - Bluespec -----------a-aaaaa Logie Ramachandran - Synopsys a----------------- Will Cummings - Synplicity Agenda + Review IEEE patent policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Reviewed. + Review Minutes of Previous Meeting http://www.eda-stds.org/sv-bc/minutes/sv-bc_07_06_11.txt Cliff moves to accept minutes. Heath seconds. No opposed. Abstain: Shalom (lots of comments but can't recall if incorrect). Motion passes. + Status of Draft 3 Review Reviewers, please provide brief update on progress Cliff to work on it this week. Alex waiting for Karen to create Mantis account. + Issues SVDB 1004 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001004) Shalom has updated proposal. Shalom moves to accept proposal. Gord seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1064 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001064) Do we now have enough data to proceed? http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/hm/6088.html http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/hm/6094.html Stu moves to accept updated proposal. Gord seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1850 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001850) Mark has AI to initiate definition of 'variation' to facilitate further discussion. Proceed if Mark has additional information. Table for a future meeting. SVDB 227 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000227) Gord moves to accept proposal. Mark seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 677 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000677) Gord and Shalom made and seconded motion to approve Karen's proposal. Based on feedback they withdrew motions. Don, Heath, Cliff, Stu, Matt and Steven will work on alternate proposal for this issue. SVDB 915 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000915) There are some ambiguities about the literal values assigned to enum values. AI: Gord add new SVDB entry and proposal to address expression sizing issues for literals of unspecified widths. Stu moves to accept updated proposal. Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 918 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000918) Shalom moves to accept updated proposal. Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1111 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001111) Needs to be updated to deal issues with 1800. AI: Steve look into ability to use 1800 types with old-style port decls. 11:00am: Cliff moves to adjourn Issues for a future meeting: SVDB 1119 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001119) SVDB 1233 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001233) SVDB 1280 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001280) SVDB 1341 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001341) SVDB 1351 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001351) SVDB 1462 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001462) SVDB 1814 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001814) SVDB 1899 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001899) Action Items Complete 06/11/2007 Shalom update proposal for SVDB 1004 06/11/2007 Shalom update proposal for SVDB 1589 Pending 01/09/2006 Shalom file new issure related to SVDB 1254 and include example 03/27/2006 Cliff post examples demonstrating the need for 0-1 wildcard to justify further action on SVDB 99 Other ideas: elsex, defaultx, ifx, alwaysx, initialx, Question: what about X expression in index of Vector or array expressions (a[i] where i === 'X). Cliff to pursue further action. 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1386 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1078 06/19/2006 Francoise check with SV-CC regariding suitability of data read API to address debugging of "dynamic data" in lieu of vcd extensions. 07/10/2006 Steve add bugnote to 1043 about specifics for resolution 07/31/2006 Steve add bug note to 1481 with details for a clearer proposal 09/25/2006 Matt add SVDB entry to request capability to packages: import/export & non-exported (local) package declarations. 10/09/2006 Brad: enhance 1554 proposal to prevent circularity of expressions (address use or non-use of hierarchical references). 10/23/2006 Matt send example of use of forward typedef. 12/04/2006 Shalom present compelling example of `begin_define -- `end_define 12/18/2006 Cliff open Mantis item about 'predefault' with compelling examples 01/08/2007 Vendors to describe interpretation of a path when there are multiple drivers involved and share test cases on reflector. Shalom suggests that this is done. 03/05/2007 ALL look at SV-AC items and send Matt a note if you require more information to address them. Matt will work with SV-AC to get additional information. 03/19/2007 Cliff send e-mail to Karen regarding SVDB account 04/26/2007 Matt: update old 'resolved' Mantis items to point new draft sections. 04/26/2007 All: Revisit concept of memory in Draft 3 06/11/2007 Stu reword proposal for SVDB 1111 06/11/2007 All choose direction for SVDB 1064 based on usage input 06/11/2007 Matt notify SV-AC to update 1641 to system task/function section 06/11/2007 Mark attempt to define 'variation' in context of resolving SVDB 1850 06/25/2007 Gord add new SVDB entry and proposal to address expression sizing issues for literals of unspecified widths. 06/25/2007 Steve look into ability to use 1800 types with old-style port decls