SV-BC Meeting Date: Monday July 09, 2007 Time: 09:00am-11:00am PDT Toll Free Dial In Number: (888)635-9997 International Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (763)315-6815 PARTICIPANT CODE: 53904 0213131010001020211 Day 9510406295588439514 0000000000001111000 Month 7665544433212200998 0000000000000000000 Year 7777777777776666666 aaaaaaaaaaa---aaaaa Matt Maidment - Intel aaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaa Brad Pierce - Synopsys aaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaa Shalom Bresticker - Intel aaa-aaa-aaaaaa-aaaa Cliff Cummings - Sunburst Design aaa--a-aaaaaaaaaaa- Surrendra Dudani - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Mark Hartoog - Synopsys aaa-a-a-aaaaa-a-aaa Francoise Martinolle - Cadence a-a-aaaaa-aaaaaaaaa Karen Pieper - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa Dave Rich - Mentor Graphics aaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaa Steven Sharp - Cadence -aaaa-aa-a-aaaaaaaa Gordon Vreugdenhil - Mentor Graphics -aaaaaa-aa-a--aaaaa Stu Sutherland - Sutherland HDL aaaa-aaaaa--------- Alex Gran - Mentor Graphics -aaaaaa-aa-a-aaaaa- Don Mills - LCDM Engineering aaaa-aaaaaaaaa-aaaa Heath Chambers - Consultant/Trainer aa----------------- Will Cummings - Synplicity ----------aa---aa-a Doug Warmke - Mentor Graphics ------------------a Rishiyur Nikhil - Bluespec ------------a-aaaaa Logie Ramachandran - Synopsys Agenda + Review IEEE patent policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Reviewed. + Review Minutes of Previous Meeting http://www.eda-stds.org/sv-bc/minutes/sv-bc_07_06_25.txt Cliff moves to accept. Heath seconds. No opposed. Abstain: Karen (Did not attend meeting) Motion passes. + Status of Draft 3 Review Reviewers, please provide brief update on progress None. + Issues Review any failing issues from e-mail vote. Passing issues: 1233, 1280, 1351, 1814, 1899 Failing issues: 1119, 1341, 1462, 1625 SVDB 1119 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001119) Steven moves to accept proposal with friendly amendment: "Macro substitution and argument substitution shall not occur within strings." TO "Macro substitution and argument substitution shall not occur within string literals." Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. AI: Shalom proposal for SVDB 1119 to include friendly amendment SVDB 1341 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001341) Cliff moves to accept proposal with friendly amendment "this directive" to "these directives" Alex seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. AI: Matt update proposal for SVDB 1341 with friendly amendment SVDB 1462 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001462) Heath moves to resolve 1462 as covered by 1623. Cliff seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1625 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001625) Brad moves to accept updated proposal. Heath seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. SVDB 1602 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001602) Gord requested discussion of this but was not in attendance. Postpone for future meeting. SVDB 1707 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001707) Intended for EC. Not discussed in this meeting. + Cliff's -dangles Proposal Continue discussion started here: http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/hm/6180.html Cliff gave a summary of intent. Vendor feedback is that this is fraught with exceptions and once in the standard it will be difficult to handle. Steven suggests that this idea may be best started in collaboration with a vendor and later donated for standarization. + Cliff's case statement syntax Continue discussion started here: http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/hm/6190.html Lots of discussion about example. Essence of issue seems to unique covering parallel and full. Cliff seems to be in search of a parallel but not full case modifier. Cliff will pursue this or another idea. Plan to revisit during July 23rd meeting. Next meeting will be July 23rd. Cliff moved to adjourn at 10:57am Action Items Complete 06/11/2007 All choose direction for SVDB 1064 based on usage input 04/26/2007 Matt: update old 'resolved' Mantis items to point new draft sections. Issues moved to assigned state. Being updated as time permits. Pending 01/09/2006 Shalom file new issure related to SVDB 1254 and include example 03/27/2006 Cliff post examples demonstrating the need for 0-1 wildcard to justify further action on SVDB 99 Other ideas: elsex, defaultx, ifx, alwaysx, initialx, Question: what about X expression in index of Vector or array expressions (a[i] where i === 'X). Cliff to pursue further action. 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1386 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1078 06/19/2006 Francoise check with SV-CC regariding suitability of data read API to address debugging of "dynamic data" in lieu of vcd extensions. 07/10/2006 Steve add bugnote to 1043 about specifics for resolution 07/31/2006 Steve add bug note to 1481 with details for a clearer proposal 09/25/2006 Matt add SVDB entry to request capability to packages: import/export & non-exported (local) package declarations. 10/09/2006 Brad: enhance 1554 proposal to prevent circularity of expressions (address use or non-use of hierarchical references). 10/23/2006 Matt send example of use of forward typedef. 12/04/2006 Shalom present compelling example of `begin_define -- `end_define 12/18/2006 Cliff open Mantis item about 'predefault' with compelling examples 01/08/2007 Vendors to describe interpretation of a path when there are multiple drivers involved and share test cases on reflector. 03/05/2007 ALL look at SV-AC items and send Matt a note if you require more information to address them. Matt will work with SV-AC to get additional information. 03/19/2007 Cliff send e-mail to Karen regarding SVDB account 04/26/2007 All: Revisit concept of memory in Draft 3 Affects PLI backward compatibility and readmem system tasks. After some discussion, ambivalence gave way to agreement that arrays and memories as covered in 7.4 need to be revisited for clarification. SVDB 1362 covers this issue. Dave will start working on it. 06/11/2007 Stu reword proposal for SVDB 1111 06/11/2007 Matt notify SV-AC to update 1641 to system task/function section 06/11/2007 Mark attempt to define 'variation' in context of resolving SVDB 1850 06/25/2007 Gord add new SVDB entry and proposal to address expression sizing issues for literals of unspecified widths. 06/25/2007 Steve look into ability to use 1800 types with old-style port decls 07/09/2007 Shalom proposal for SVDB 1119 to include friendly amendment 07/09/2007 Matt update proposal for SVDB 1341 with friendly amendment