SV-BC Meeting Date: Thursday September 6, 2007 Time: 09:00am-11:00am PDT Toll Free Dial In Number: (888)635-9997 International Access/Caller Paid Dial In Number: (763)315-6815 PARTICIPANT CODE: 53904 02020213131010001020211 Day 60639510406295588439514 00000000000000001111000 Month 98877665544433212200998 00000000000000000000000 Year 77777777777777776666666 aa-aaaaaaaaaaaa---aaaaa Matt Maidment - Intel aaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaa Brad Pierce - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaa Shalom Bresticker - Intel a--aaaa-aaa-aaaaaa-aaaa Cliff Cummings - Sunburst Design ----aaa--a-aaaaaaaaaaa- Surrendra Dudani - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Mark Hartoog - Synopsys aaaaaaa-a-a-aaaaa-a-aaa Francoise Martinolle - Cadence aaaaa-a-aaaaa-aaaaaaaaa Karen Pieper - Synopsys aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa Dave Rich - Mentor Graphics -aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaa Steven Sharp - Cadence aaaa-aaaa-aa-a-aaaaaaaa Gordon Vreugdenhil - Mentor Graphics aa-a-aaaaaa-aa-a--aaaaa Stu Sutherland - Sutherland HDL aaaaaaaa-aaaaa--------- Alex Gran - Mentor Graphics aaa--aaaaaa-aa-a-aaaaa- Don Mills - LCDM Engineering aa-aaaaa-aaaaaaaaa-aaaa Heath Chambers - Consultant/Trainer -a-aaa----------------- Will Cummings - Synplicity aaa-------------------- Tom Alsop - Intel --------------aa---aa-a Doug Warmke - Mentor Graphics ----------------------a Rishiyur Nikhil - Bluespec ---------------a-aaaaa Logie Ramachandran - Synopsys Agenda + Review IEEE patent policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Reviewed. + Review Minutes of Previous Meetings http://www.eda-stds.org/sv-bc/minutes/sv-bc_07_08_20.txt Heath moves to accept minutes. Gord seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. + Schedule Freeze coming November 15. Karen asked for input on progress to-date and any concerns about freezing on that date. Gord raised "name resolution" as an issue that should be addressed. Gord advocates a face-to-face meeting to achieve consensus on the topic so that proposals can be written to address all associated issues. Date for meeting tentatively Monday, September 24. Gord also raised the issue of undefined queue operation using {}. Issue communicated to SV-EC: http://www.eda-stds.org/sv-ec/hm/4653.html. SV-EC needs to respond. AI: Matt send to Neil capturing committee status (name-resolution, queue operations and general issue resolution but no other major blocking items to freeze date). + Issues Brad moves to accept all proposals from the e-mail that received no objections. 910, 995, 1025, 1031, 1061, 1118, 1140, 1155, 1203, 1285, 1485, 1651, 1665, 1693, 1938, 1941, 1955, 1958, 1963 Shalom seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. Failing issues: 1939, 1988, 1989, 1141, 1217, 1940 1939 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/view.php?id=1939) Brad moves to accept proposal with Don's friendly amendment: Add "as defined in section 5-7" Gord seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. AI: Brad to update proposal for SVDB 1939 with friendly amendment 1988 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/view.php?id=1988) Brad moves that a mandatory warning be issued when a non-void function call is used as a statement. Stu seconds. Opposed: Francoise (prefers that it is an error) Abstain: Shalom (1. Doesn't have a preference on whether or not to permit such usage and 2. does not have a preference on mandatory warning if usage is permitted Motion passes. AI: Shalom to rewrite proposal for SVDB 1988 based on committee vote during September 6 meeting. 1989 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/view.php?id=1989) Dave moves to accept proposal minus the modifications to section 20.6 Brad seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. AI: Dave update proposal for SVDB 1989 striking edits to 20.6 AI: Shalom file issue regarding differences in section 20.6 between 1800-2008 Draft 3 and 1364-2005. 1141 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/view.php?id=1141) Brad moves to resolve 1141 as addressed by 1140 with amendment to proposal for 1140 striking "This proposal incorporates 1141." Shalom seconds No oppposed. No abstain. Motion passes. 1217 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/view.php?id=1217) Gord moves to accept proposal. Brad seconds. No opposed. No abstain. Motion passes. AI: Shalom to file SVDB item regarding column headings of Table 25-18 1940 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/view.php?id=1940) AI: Brad to respond to Shalom on suggested wording for SVDB 1940 AI: Matt send another e-mail ballot with up to 10 issues. 1826 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/view.php?id=1826) AI: Stu to write proposal for SVDB 1826 Next meeting September 17, 2007 10:57AM Brad moves to adjourn. Action Items Completed 08/20/2007 Matt For 354 ensure note of resolution states attached proposal was rejected. Rename attached file with "_rejected". 08/20/2007 Shalom add statement to proposal for 933 identifying that it is an error when expression evaluates to non-positive integral value. 08/20/2007 Shalom to update proposal for 1863 based on feedback. 08/20/2007 Gord raise issue of undefined concat syntax in SV-EC. SV-BC not in favor of syntax. Request that behavior is defined if intent is to keep it. (http://www.eda-stds.org/sv-ec/hm/4653.html) 08/20/2007 Gord send e-mail requesting participation in name resolution face-to-face meeting. Pending 01/09/2006 Shalom file new issure related to SVDB 1254 and include example 03/27/2006 Cliff post examples demonstrating the need for 0-1 wildcard to justify further action on SVDB 99 Other ideas: elsex, defaultx, ifx, alwaysx, initialx, Question: what about X expression in index of Vector or array expressions (a[i] where i === 'X). Cliff to pursue further action. 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1386 04/10/2006 Steven to create proposal for SVDB 1078 06/19/2006 Francoise check with SV-CC regariding suitability of data read API to address debugging of "dynamic data" in lieu of vcd extensions. 07/10/2006 Steve add bugnote to 1043 about specifics for resolution 07/31/2006 Steve add bug note to 1481 with details for a clearer proposal 09/25/2006 Matt add SVDB entry to request capability to packages: import/export & non-exported (local) package declarations. 10/09/2006 Brad: enhance 1554 proposal to prevent circularity of expressions (address use or non-use of hierarchical references). 10/23/2006 Matt send example of use of forward typedef. 12/04/2006 Shalom present compelling example of `begin_define -- `end_define 12/18/2006 Cliff open Mantis item about 'predefault' with compelling examples 01/08/2007 Vendors to describe interpretation of a path when there are multiple drivers involved and share test cases on reflector. 03/05/2007 ALL look at SV-AC items and send Matt a note if you require more information to address them. Matt will work with SV-AC to get additional information. 03/19/2007 Cliff send e-mail to Karen regarding SVDB account 04/26/2007 All: Revisit concept of memory in Draft 3 Affects PLI backward compatibility and readmem system tasks. After some discussion, ambivalence gave way to agreement that arrays and memories as covered in 7.4 need to be revisited for clarification. SVDB 1362 covers this issue. Dave will start working on it. 06/11/2007 Stu reword proposal for SVDB 1111 06/11/2007 Matt notify SV-AC to update 1641 to system task/function section 06/11/2007 Mark attempt to define 'variation' in context of resolving SVDB 1850 06/25/2007 Gord add new SVDB entry and proposal to address expression sizing issues for literals of unspecified widths. 06/25/2007 Steve look into ability to use 1800 types with old-style port decls 08/06/2007 Steven to record concerns about issues related to issue 1935. 08/06/2007 Dave to review string in merged document to see where it ought to be string literal or string datatype. Prompted by discussion of 331 but review is to be of entire merged document. 08/20/2007 Matt ask Neil whether 348 is addressed and can be closed or should remain open. SV-BC not in favor of pursuing deprecation at this time. 08/20/2007 Shalom to update proposal for 1937 with friendly amendments 08/20/2007 Brad to open mantis item to clarify empty argument characterization at beginning or end of an argument list: (, or ,) 09/06/2007 Matt send to Neil capturing committee status (name-resolution, queue operations and general issue resolution but no other major blocking items to freeze date). 09/06/2007 Brad to update proposal for SVDB 1939 with friendly amendment 09/06/2007 Shalom to rewrite proposal for SVDB 1988 based on committee vote during September 6 meeting. 09/06/2007 Dave update proposal for SVDB 1989 striking edits to 20.6 09/06/2007 Shalom file issue regarding differences in section 20.6 between 1800-2008 Draft 3 and 1364-2005. 09/06/2007 Shalom to file SVDB item regarding column headings of Table 25-18 09/06/2007 Matt send another e-mail ballot with up to 10 issues. 09/06/2007 Stu to write proposal for SVDB 1826