SV-BC Meeting
Date: Monday, September 27, 2010
Time: 9:00am-11:00am PDT

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Meeting ID: 7839818

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aaaa-a Matt Maidment        - Intel   
aa-aaa Brad Pierce          - Synopsys 
aaaaaa Mark Hartoog         - Synopsys 
aaa-aa Dave Rich            - Mentor Graphics 
aaaaaa Gordon Vreugdenhil   - Mentor Graphics 
a-aa-a Alex Gran            - Mentor Graphics 
-a--aa Heath Chambers       - Consultant/Trainer
aaaa-a Tom Alsop            - Intel 
-aaaaa Cliff Cummings       - Sunburst Design
aaaaaa Shalom Bresticker    - Intel 
---aaa Don Mills            - LCDM Engineering 
aaaaaa Arnab Saha           - Mentor Graphics
-aa-aa Daniel Schostak      - ARM 
aa--aa Kaiming Ho           - Fraunhofer Institute
aaaaa- Steven Sharp         - Cadence 
-aaaaa Francoise Martinolle - Cadence  
-aa-aa Eric Coffin          - Mentor Graphics
------ David Gates          - AMD
aaa--a Peter Flake          - Elda Technology
------ Scott Little         - Freescale
------ John Havlicek        - Freescale
------ Rishiyur Nikhil      - BlueSpec
-a---a Jonathan Bromley     - Verilab
----a- Greg Jaxon           - Synopsys
aa---- Linc Jepson          - 74ze

Agenda

+ Review IEEE patent policy
  http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt
 
  Reviewed.

+ Previous Meeting Minutes

http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/minutes/sv-bc_10_09_13.txt

Dave Rich moves to accept the minutes.
Peter Flake seconds.
No opposed.
Abstain: Alex Gran (not present)
Motion passes.
  
+ Mantis 696 (http://www.eda.org/svdb/view.php?id=696)

Per Tom's mail to the reflector (http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/hm/10547.html)
please be prepared to discuss proposal to resolve Mantis 696.

Updated wording of last paragraph.
Code examples need to be consistent with other code examples

Remove:  etc...

Add a sentence to mention the benefits of virtual classes.

AI: Tom to post updated proposal to 696.
AI: Matt to open email vote for 696 by Oct 4.

+ Classification of interface issues

Shalom posted initial classification here:

http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/hm/10566.html

Few of the issues directly related to virtual interfaces.

Steven says issues of parameterization virtual interfaces come up frequently
but 2009 LRM has resolved ambiguities.

Gord finds it difficult to resolve legacy baggage and reach an ideal 
solution.

Brad asked about prioritization based on user feedback.
Kaiming raised that virtual interfaces receive a lot of attention.
Gord said that customers are using for design.
Brad believes most users have given up on using interfaces because
they "don't work as adverstised"

Gord moves to communicate to 1800 WG: 

"SV-BC cannot build momentum behind a vision to significantly 
improve interfaces and related features while maintaining backward 
compatibility with current definition.  How to significantly improve 
or redesign interfaces is not clear and the SV-BC is not making progress 
to address the situation.  The SV-BC will pursue resolution of point issues.
The SV-BC requests that the 1800 WG consider the scope of improving
interfaces and facilitate a long-term, cross-committee effort to improve 
interfaces in future standards."

Brad seconds.
No opposed.
Abstain: Peter Flake (still trying to digest all issues and potentially 
articulate a vision).
Motion passes.

AI:  All review Shalom's list and suggest interface issues to tackle now.

10:51 AM PDT:  Steven moves to adjourn

+ Progress/Discussion for Top 10

Looking for proposal sketches or discussion for any of these issues.

   696 - Champion: Tom
  2310(1084, 1201) - Participants: Eric, Tom, Shalom, Steven,
                     Wilson Snyder
  3053 - Participants: Francoise, Mark, Alex, Kaiming
  3055 - Participants: Gord, Mark	
  2991 - Champion: Tom,  Participants: Steven
  1566 - For future discussion
  2114 - Similar to 3053.  Have same group look at it.
   210 - Participants: Shalom, Matt
  3056 - Champion: Shalom, Participants: Steven, Francoise

Action Items

Outstanding
  05/10/10 Matt create Master Issue for WG-approved SV-BC Top-25
  07/19/10 Matt follow-up about voting rules for technical sub-committee.
           Is there a limit on the number of reps from 1 entity?
  07/19/10 Dave to post request to reflectors for clarification of 2108 
  07/19/10 Jonathan post some items for discussion related to 2114 to reflector.
  08/02/10 Brad give SV-BC feedback on Mantis 2992 to Mehdi
  08/02/10 Eric start reflector thread on Mantis 2310
  08/02/10 Gord meet F2F with Mark when in Bay Area
  08/16/10 Tom write up class static method examples and explanation for
           inclusion in clause 8 and reference in clause 13 and 3.8.
  08/16/10 Brad update Mantis items passed by email vote.
  08/16/10 Matt to rethink 210 in terms of configuration and alias.
  08/16/20 All send Shalom feedback about prioritizing the issues raised 
           in port declaration issue summary:
	   http://www.eda.org/sv-bc/hm/10498.html
  09/13/10 Shalom review 2318 and classifying issues as testbench or design
  09/13/10 Jonathan show simple examples of virtual interfaces, sub-interfaces 
           and base classes in modules to demonstrate different methods for 
	   connecting design and testbenches.  
  09/27/10 Tom post updated proposal to 696.
  09/27/10 Matt to open email vote for 696 by Oct 4.
  09/27/10 Review Shalom's list of interface issues and suggest issues to 
           tackle now.