Subject: Re: I would like to see this (and future) votes held according tothe rules.
From: Yatin Trivedi (trivedi@pacbell.net)
Date: Mon Sep 30 2002 - 21:37:24 PDT
Hi all,
        Given the stir I have caused, may be I should clarify a couple
of points and ask clarification of a few more:
* The original email to SV-CC with Voting Guidelines was sent after
consultation with Vassilios as TCC Chair. I take my procedural
directions and clarifications from him.
* In order to seek commonality, I asked David Smith, SV-EC chair, for
the procedure his committee was following. I took some of the items in
my mail directly from what Dave has published on SV-EC web page after
he pointed it out.
* A "one time exception" was suggested to increase the possibility of
counting more opinions in this decision. If I limit the vote in
strict adherence to Accellera guidelines, only 4 participants qualify
(Cadence, Motorola, Novas, Synopsys). My co-chair and I did not think
it was appropriate to make such a decision based on a constituency of 
four - too small a sample out of 18 participants (some irregular).
I do understand that Accellera has its rules and policies. I appreciate
the information provided to me so far. However, it now raises questions
for me (and the committee) as to how we shall vote:
- Shall we limit the vote to only 4 members?
- Shall we delay the vote until more members join and become 
  eligible to vote?
- What is the minimum voting requirement 
  (i.e. how many min votes must be cast for the vote to be valid?)
- What would be Quorum requirements for conducting committee work?
- Is there a distinction between procedural votes and committee's
  technical matters vote? (i.e. voting on acceptance of a donation,
  approval of the LRM, etc. vs semantics of a specific item in third
  bullet of fifth paragraph or section 9.2?)
Regards
Yatin
Michael McNamara wrote:
> 
> To clear up possible confusion, I am very happy with whatever rules
> Accellera's board approves.  In particular, I would be very happy if
> the Accellera Board approves rules that allow IEEE members a vote.
> 
> However, Accellera has not done this yet.  The current rules, as the
> Accellera Chair cites, are very specific about voting.  We must either
> follow them, or change them.  Ignoring them is not a viable option.
> 
> I was part of a board sub-committee that put forth a proposal that
> included changing the voting rules to the Accellera Board; this
> proposal was not heard due to procedural issues.  I do hope the
> proposal does get heard, or that some other motion is made by another
> party which brings this matter to the Board immediately, the Board
> votes, and we have rules that are clear to all, and we then run our
> technical committees this way.
> 
> Dennis Brophy writes:
>  > Yatin,
>  >
>  > I don't want to add fuel to an issue on voting in Accellera
>  > technical groups, but as pointed out in the attached email, there
>  > are several features outlined in the organization's bylaws that
>  > Accellera need to familiarize you and all the Technical
>  > Subcommittees.  Those include (1) classes of membership, (2) voting
>  > privileges and (3) objection procedures.
>  >
>  > The Board had directed the creation of a special committee to
>  > ensure the rules of Accellera are part of each committee's work
>  > guidelines.  This work is still not complete unfortunately
>  > otherwise you would have gotten that information instead of this
>  > email.
>  >
>  > In general, the Technical Committee and Subcommittees are given
>  > freedom to organize as they see best fit to accomplish their goals.
>  > There are a few constraints placed on them by the organization.  I
>  > would like to familiarize you with these constraints.
>  >
>  >   (1)        Accellera has three classes of membership: Corporate, Associate
>  >       Corporate and Individual.  You can find a list of Corporate and
>  >       Associate Corporate members at http://www.accellera.org/member.html.
>  >       If you would like more information on membership in Accellera,
>  >       you can contact the organization's administrator, Lynn Horobin, at
>  >       lynn@accellera.org.  Lynn will offer 50% reduction in membership
>  >       fees to any person or entity that wishes to join the organization
>  >       as a Corporate or Associate Corporate member from now until the
>  >       beginning of the new membership year in 2003.
>  >
>  >   (2)        Only Corporate and Associate Corporate members may cast votes
>  >       when a vote of a Technical Subcommittee is called.  And, when
>  >       these votes are cast, only one vote per company is allowed.
>  >       When a Technical Subcommittee votes to approve a standard,
>  >       specification or guideline, two-thirds of the Technical Subcommittee
>  >       eligible to vote is required.
>  >
>  >       Industry consensus is important and participation by technical
>  >       experts is encouraged.  Individual member participation is
>  >       guaranteed.  Individual members may be members of a Technical
>  >       Subcommittee and may actively participate in Technical Subcommittee
>  >       business activities, but are not eligible to vote on such issues
>  >       as may be brought forward for a decision by the Technical
>  > Subcommittee.
>  >       Voting privileges may be extended to Individual members by a vote
>  >       of the Board.  It is the responsibility of the Technical Committee
>  >       Chair to place such items for approval on the Board's agenda.
>  >       I suggest you work with Vassilios if you have such individual
>  >       participants in your team.
>  >
>  >   (3)        By written petition of 25% of the Corporate Members, any matter
>  >       voted by a Technical Subcommittee or Technical Committee may be
>  >       brought to the Technical Committee or Board for approval or
>  >       disapproval.  Just to ensure everyone knows there is a path to
>  >       challenge any vote, I thought it best to share the petition
>  >       mechanism with you.
>  >
>  > During the formation of Accellera, we knew it was important to maintain the
>  > financial health of the organization to underwrite and fund the creation the
>  > specifications of the technical teams.  To encourage membership, voting in
>  > the technical committees was determined to be the best motivating factor.
>  > For the systems and semiconductor companies, you expect EDA companies to be
>  > members of Accellera.  And many EDA companies are.  EDA companies recognize
>  > that systems and semiconductor companies are challenged to participate in an
>  > even broader set of industry coalition, standards groups and initiatives.
>  > We know you cannot participate in all of them, but we trust your assessment
>  > of the leverage that the work of Accellera gives your teams.  For those of
>  > you working in the
>  >
>  > In special regards to the IEEE 1364 participants, I personally
>  > thought this was a joint effort.  As such, one would assume the
>  > natural outcome would be to share in the approval process.
>  > Accellera's Board may well need to recognize this officially and I
>  > will discuss this more with the organization.  Since the email
>  > below is from the chair of the IEEE 1364, in addition to his other
>  > affiliations, I suspect a judgment that a state of official
>  > collaboration exists is not fully solidified.  We will work towards
>  > the organization's explicit position on that status.
>  >
>  > I understand any email on this topic can be quite contentious, and
>  > if anyone wishes to speak to me regarding it, don't hesitate to
>  > contact me.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  >
>  > Dennis
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Michael McNamara [mailto:mac@verisity.com]
>  > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:02 PM
>  > To: Dennis Brophy
>  > Subject: I would like to see this (and future) votes held according to
>  > the rules.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Ref:
>  >
>  > Yatin Trivedi writes:
>  >  > Hi all,
>  >  >   As chair and co-chair of SV-CC we would like to explain what
>  >  > it means to vote on and accept the donation.
>  >  >
>  >  > When Accellera set out to enhance Verilog, and later System Verilog,
>  >  > the board and TCC invited technical donations from Accellera members
>  >  > (and industry at large). These donations were technical proposals in
>  >  > the form of documents that described either actual implementation or
>  >  > work in progress as it would relate to Verilog or System Verilog.
>  >  >
>  >  > The acceptance of donation implies that there is enough knowledge by
>  >  > committee members to take the donation and use it as a basis for the
>  >  > work of the committee. This is intended as a jump start to establish
>  >  > the direction of the effort for the committee. The acceptance of the
>  >  > donation would allow the committee to evaluate each item in the
>  >  > document for further analysis in the context of the requirements.
>  >  > The committee can debate and agree to change, add, or delete certain
>  >  > items in the document to suit the requirements.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > The voting policy, as established by Accellera board, is modified a
>  >  > little to allow larger participation in the voting process. Here
>  >  > are the rules:
>  >  >
>  >  > * Only Accellera member companies may vote. An exception is provided
>  >  > for those individuals/companies who were part of System Verilog 3.0
>  >  > effort and had voting rights. This exception is still subject to
>  >  > meeting other requirements.
>  >  >
>  >  > * Vote on technical issues will be a simple majority of all
>  >  >   attendees  (not limited to one per company)
>  >  >
>  >  > * All procedural and final (accept donation, LRM) approvals (other
>  >  >   items at the chair's discretion) will follow the one vote per
>  >  >   company rule. Each company has a designate (with proxy support).
>  >  >   IEEE members, who are not an Accellera member or commercial
>  >  >   affiliation will have an indivdual vote as well.
>  >  >
>  >  > * Accellera guideline is to allow anyone (subject to membership
>  >  > requirement) with 75% attendance in all meetings or 3 out of
>  >  > last 4 meetings to vote. For the purpose of this particular vote,
>  >  > TCC chair has agreed that we can allow larger voting particiaption
>  >  > by anyone (subject to membership requirement) who has attended
>  >  > 50% of all meetings or 2 of the last 4 meetings.
>  >  >
>  >  > Note: We will send a note directly to those who are eligible to vote.
>  >  >
>  >  > If you have questions or comments, please send an email directly
>  >  > to Ghassan and Yatin. Let's not discuss the voting policy on the
>  >  > reflector for the sake of keeping it focused on technical topics.
>  >  >
>  >  > Regards
>  >  >
>  >  > Yatin
>  >  >
>  >
>  > Dennis: As you pointed out to us very clearly in both an officers
>  > meeting, and during the recent Accellera Board Meeting, there is no
>  > basis for a vote in any technical committee, board meeting, or other
>  > activity of Accellera other than a single vote by the designated
>  > representative of each corporate member.  IEEE members do not get a
>  > vote. Multiple individuals of member companies do not get a vote.
>  >
>  > This proposal from Yatin enfranchises folks that should not be given a
>  > vote.
>  >
>  > As board members of Accellera, we must either:
>  >
>  > 1) Inform Yatin and Vassilious that they must conduct this and all
>  > votes according to the rules stated in Resolution 17; (hence only
>  > corporate members may vote) or
>  >
>  > 2) Make a special proposal at the board level to allow this vote to be
>  > conducted as Yatin outlines; or
>  >
>  > 3) Amend resolution 17 to enfranchise IEEE members as Yatin proposes;
>  > and allow individual mmbers of technical committees to vote on small
>  > issues.
>  >
>  > For the past two years the technical committees have been acting out
>  > of order with the bylaws of Accellera; however only a few board
>  > members were aware of this fact.
>  >
>  > If the Accellera Board allows this and subsequent votes to be
>  > conducted in direct violation of Resolution 17, it will unnecessarily
>  > continue the very, very bad state the technical committees are
>  > operating, with the entire Board very much aware that the technical
>  > committees are violating the bylaws of Accellera.
>  >
>  > Two issues that cry out for attention: the one person one vote is
>  > directly outlawed by Resolution 17.  The enfranchisement of IEEE
>  > members is directly ruled out by Resolution 17.
>  >
>  > Please make it right.
>  >
>  > -mac
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