RE: Multiple writers to sc_signal

Bishnupriya,

I am ambivalent about allowing non-process writes from sc_main during simulation. I guess it would allow re-initialization between calls to sc_start, which could be a good thing.

Regarding update(), update() is forbidden (6.15.6) from messing with the state of any storage outside of the current primitive channel object. IMHO it would be very much outside the spirit of sc_prim_channel to allow a call to write() to another sc_signal, although I don't think the LRM explicitly disallows this. I would rather close this loophole than allow write(). It this what you were thinking, or am I on the wrong page?

Thanks,

John A

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Date: 11/03/2010 02:46AM
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Subject: RE: Multiple writers to sc_signal

    
John,
 
The first point below is fine. For the second point, a little more is needed.
 
* Writing to a given signal during elaboration (from any context) is permitted; neither sc_main nor the callbacks count as drivers

What about non-process writes during simulation? Like from sc_main() after the first sc_start(), or from the update() phase of a user-defined channel? IMO all these should be legal. Hangs together by your rationale also that the result is deterministic since all non-process writes are single-threaded.
 
Thanks,
-Bishnupriya
    
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Subject: Re: Multiple writers to sc_signal

Bishnupriya,

Re-reading the first point below, it looks like we agreed that we should clarify the wording of the LRM to the effect that:

* Writing to a given signal from multiple processes is illegal (subject to any further enhancements we may make)
* Writing to a given signal during elaboration (from any context) is permitted; neither sc_main nor the callbacks count as drivers

Does that still work for you?

John A

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Date: 11/02/2010 04:09PM
Subject: Multiple writers to sc_signal

Bishnupriya, All,

Next on the list is the issue of multiple writers to sc_signal.

As a reminder, I include some historical notes below.

John A

[BB]  6.4.4  The LRM states that it is an error for multiple processes to write to an sc_signal. The LRM also says it is ok to write to a sc_signal during elaboration in order to initialize it. The category of writes that the LRM does not specify are mainly those coming from sc_main and from other unusual places, like phase callbacks (e.g, start_of_simulation), a channel's update phase etc. This can all be generalized under the umbrella of writing to a signal from a non-process context (the current process is 0). We think extrapolating what the LRM says, all such writes to a signal can be considered ok, and do not contribute as a driver. It seem reasonable to have a consistent rule like sc_main (generally, any non-process context) never counts as a writer when writing to a signal.

  [JA] My take on it is that the LRM is explicit that sc_signal::write() calls request_update(), that update() changes the value and notifies an event. Moreover, request_update() can be called during elaboration (it is explicitly allowed in the callbacks). When multiple writes() are made in the same phase, the most recent write() wins. Writes from multiple processes instances are forbidden, the (implicit, unstated) reason being that the behaviour would be non-deterministic. Writes from outside processes are permitted, the (implicit, unstated) reason being that the behavior would be deterministic (because elaboration is single-threaded). I think that hangs together?

  However, I don't think there is a strong reason to change the OSCI simulator. Old code should still work (because the OSCI sim supports many deprecated features). New code should comply with 1666 (whether or not a tool implements the checks properly). In time, the OSCI sim may get changed to be less tolerant of legacy code.

  [AG] The existing simulator ignores initializations by sc_main if they occur before any process writes, but reports an error if sc_main tries to change a value that has been written by the process. I think I should just fix things to ignore writes out of the simulator's purview, e.g. by sc_main.
 
  [BB/JA] Need an LRM clarification to that effect

[BB]  6.4.4  The LRM clearly states that having multiple processes write to a sc_signal is an error. In the refsim, the implementation is somewhat flaky. The multiple writer check is performed only if the DEBUG_SYSTEMC macro is defined and is liable to break for pre-defined signals like sc_signal<bool> etc., if the systemc library is not compiled with DEBUG_SYSTEMC defined. It would be nice to have a cleaner solution.
 
From user experience, it turns out that people hardly ever have DEBUG_SYSTEMC on, and are often surprised in the case that DEBUG_SYSTEMC is on, and the check reports an error. It is not uncommon for a model to use to two different processes that write to the same signal in a mutually exclusive fashion, e.g., at the posedge and negedge of a clock, respectively. People expect such models to work and are surprised that the check rejects this.
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In view of all of the above, in the past, Stuart has proposed that this fact be made explicit in the signal declaration by adding a second template parameter to sc_signal that specifies if multiple writers are ok or not, with the default value being not ok. I'm trying out an implementation at my end that explores this option.

enum sc_multiple_sig_writers_policy {
ÿ SC_MULTIPLE_WRITERS_NOT_OK, // default
ÿ SC_MULTIPLE_WRITERS_OK
};

template <class T,sc_multiple_sig_writers_policy POL = SC_MULTIPLE_WRITERS_NOT_OK>
class sc_signal { ... };

If the template parameter value is SC_MULTIPLE_WRITERS_NOT_OK, then sc_signal::write() checks for multiple writers and reports an error if more than one process writes to it. This check always happens irrespective of the DEBUG_SYSTEMC flag.

If the template parameter value is SC_MULTIPLE_WRITERS_OK, then sc_signal::write() allows multiple writers and the last one wins.

This is the basic proposal for sc_signal. Typically, users won't bother with the second template parameter, and by default it would perform the check, thus being LRM compliant. In the cases where users do want to have the convenience of multiple writers, they can specify the second template parameter value to be SC_MULTIPLE_WRITERS_OK.ÿ
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A related topic is for IP vendors writing a module with output ports - these output ports will be bound to signals externally and is not controlled by the IP vendor. However, the IP vendor may also choose to have the convenience of using multiple processes to write to an output port, in which case it will be an error if the sc_signal bound to that port does not allow multiple writers. There should then be a way for an IP vendor to specify that you can only connect a sc_signal that allows multiple writers to this output port. This is similar to the concept of the sc_out_resolved port, which can only be bound to a sc_signal_resolved. The port proposal is

template <class T> class sc_out_mw : public sc_out<T> { ... };

template <class T> class sc_inout_mw : public sc_inout<T> { ... };

Such a port cannot be bound to a resolved signal (sc_signal_resolved or sc_signal_rv) because it is inconsistent for the port to say I've multiple processes writing to me and the last one wins, and at the same time ask for resolution

Such a port cannot be bound to a sc_signal<T,SC_MULTIPLE_WRITERS_NOT_OK> because it will generate a run time error due to multiple processes writing to the signal via the port

Such a port can only be bound to a sc_signal<T,SC_MULTIPLE_WRITERS_OK>
In its end_of_elaboration, this port type will check that it is bound to the correct type of sc_signal

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