VHDL Study Group Meeting 12/01/2010 8 am Attendees: John Shields - Mentor Jim Lewis - SynthWorks David Bishop - Kodak Joanne Degrote - Ohio State Jerry Kaczynski - Aldec Ken Henrich - Cisco Michiel Ligthart - Verific Design Automation Martin Thompson - TRW Automotive David Smith - Synopsys Stephen Bailey - Mentor Charles Gardiner - Consultant Chuck Swart - Mentor Ryan Hinton - L3 Communications Stephen Dovich - Cadence - P1735 (encryption) Abbreviations: WG = working group Discussion: Jim referenced everyone to the IEEE patent policy and the slides which were referenced in the meeting announcement. Reference included again below: https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/slideset.pdf Discussion of Organization Entity vs Individual Issue raised in understanding entity WG: What does openness mean with respect to entity WG? See DASC 12/02/2010 meeting minutes for discussion at DASC level From the DASC meeting, open is not free. Open means that anyone who pays their corproate dues can participate at the level at which they join (Basic or Advanced). Stephen Bailey and John Shields Would like WG to be entity based Expressed concerns that language changes need to be high demand items and that individuals who are not company representatives may not be requesting changes that are of high value to their company. Jim Lewis Noted that the work product produced by Accellera for 1076-2008 matched the work product that was planned by the individual WG within IEEE (the work that pre-dated the Accellera work) with very minimal additions and deletions. As a result, within the current VHDL community there was very little difference between the work product output of an individual and entity based working gropu. Expressed concerns about IEEE corporate fees being too high for smaller companies and smaller engineering organizations within larger companies, and as a result, the process would exclude people who wish to express high value changes and would contribute to the brain trust in developing the standard. Wants IEEE VHDL WG to be individual based since IEEE corporate policies exlude many important contributors. Joanne DeGroat Expressed concern that she would not be able to participate since OSU is not an entity member of IEEE. David Smith Expressed concern that while an entity based group will make getting funding easier, most active participants cannot pay, and hence, an entity WG is a forced pruning of the WG and the WG would suffer in brain trust. Martin Thompson Works for small organization within a large company and is concerned that he would not be able to get corporate support. Ryan Hinton L3 Would not be able to participate if the WG is entity based. His management wants to know what the return is on their investement for letting him participate in any level of working group. David Bishop Was a significant contributor in time for the last revision of the standard and would not be able to participate if WG is entity based. Charles Gardiner Is a consultant and would not be able to participate if the WG is entity based. Expressed concern that if the WG is entity based that the EDA vendors will rule and will do as they please. Discussion of Draft PAR AI Jim: Add P1735 (encryption) to harmonization AI Jim: Add PSL to harmonization (or similar scope standard) Noted by Jim: Current form only allows one standard in the harmonization spot AI Jim: Add P1666 System-C to similar scope standard Noted by Jim: Current form is only intended to allow one standard in similar scope, but the document boxes allow me to add extra stuff so I have added it here and added the PSL here also even though it would be more appropriate to include it in harmonization. AI Jim: Post updated draft PAR and initiate discussion on reflector Next meeting is Thursday 12/16 at 8 am. I appologize in advance to those for whom this time in inconvenient. We would be happy to consider other times - just wanted another one on the schedule since we have a two week notice requirement. Meeting Adjourn at 9:30 am. Thanks to all who attended and expressed an opinion.