Re: [sv-ec] Re: Quick poll for AMS extension to overload modules

Karen Pieper wrote:

> The LRM gives tools the option of adding hierarchy or not. It turns
> out that having the choice of not adding hierarchy is very convenient,
> so I'd prefer we leave the language as it is.
>
> K
> At 09:30 AM 6/22/2004 -0700, Kevin Cameron wrote:

Very convenient for implementors.

It's not convenient if you're a designer who actually needs to be able
to add a layer of indirection in a design without breaking testbenches
etc that are using cross-module references for probing.

The "as is" is different for different implementations. The job of the
committees is to agree on the correct behavior that everyone should follow.

If "macromodule" is redundant it should be deprecated. I'd prefer it
stayed and had "the no-extra-hiearachy" behavior.

Kev.

> Shalom Bresticker wrote:
>
>>>
>>>In digital Verilog, that is only in one particular simulator, and
>>>even then, not in all cases.
>>>Most other tools treat macromodules identically to modules.
>>>Thus, macromodule use is non-portable if you need to reference signals
>>>inside the macromodule from
>>>outside, say in a testbench.
>>>
>>>Shalom
>>>
>> If the LRM says macromodules shouldn't introduce hierarchy that's
>> good enough for me :-)
>>
>> For the sake of (this) argument assume that it works properly in all
>> simulators.
>>
>> Kev.
>>
>>>
>>>Kevin Cameron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you guys talk about macromodules so much?
>>>>>
>>>>>1364-2001, 12.1, says,
>>>>>"The keyword macromodule can be used interchangeably with the
>>>>>keyword module to define a module."
>>>>>
>>>>>I.e., macromodules are the same as modules.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does Verilog-AMS have a special definition of macromodules?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Macromodules (and paramsets) don't introduce extra hierarchy.
>>>>
>>>>Kev.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
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Received on Tue Jun 22 11:35:21 2004