RE: [Fwd: Minutes of Verilog-AMS meeting - 31 Jan 2008]

If you are interested in another approach to how to define simulator
independent statistical modeling for an AMS-HDL you should take a look
at SAE J2748 - VHDL-AMS Statistical Analysis Package. This is available
at www.sae.org and the reference implementation is available at
http://links.sae.org/J2748. 

This was created with the automotive industry for doing Monte-Carlo in
VHDL-AMS. You might find helpful.

Regards
David

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-verilog-ams@eda.org [mailto:owner-verilog-ams@eda.org] On
Behalf Of Geoffrey.Coram
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:18 AM
To: Sri Chandra
Cc: Bresticker, Shalom; Verilog-AMS LRM Committee; Neil.Korpusik@sun.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Minutes of Verilog-AMS meeting - 31 Jan 2008]

Hi, Sri -
Note that the $rdist_ functions are AMS-only, so there should
be no problem letting the seed argument to these functions
be a parameter.  The intended use is in paramsets, and I don't
think $random (which returns a 32-bit integer) is particularly
useful in that context.

As to the comment that the constant version not being used:
the Compact Model Council asks me each time it meets how AMS is
doing at sorting out problems with Monte-Carlo specifications;
the CMC is eager to have a simulator-independent way to
specify this information, and Verilog-AMS could be that way.
So, while the constant version (of $rdist_) is not being used
presently, it's because of other deficiencies in the LRM
(mentioned in my earlier e-mail), not because the feature has
no demand.

-Geoffrey



Sri Chandra wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The issue of distribution functions taking constant arguments was 
> discussed as part of the committee meeting today. Stu suggested there 
> are few options which we can pursue without deviating from
SystemVerilog 
> and still keeping the feature in the language.
> 
> Option #1: We can restrict it semantically to ensure that the constant

> arguments are used only in paramset declarations and any other usage
of 
> distribution functions will have integer variables instead of the 
> constant counterpart. This feature i think was mainly introduced to 
> support for paramset for RHS assignments for parameters which needed 
> constant expressions
> 
> Option #2: We can extend the distribution function to have an optional

> second argument, which can be the constant_expression which is just an

> extension to the current syntax and hence will not be in conflict. Of 
> course in this case we need to detail what it means if a constant 
> expression is specified and also has the variable as the first
argument.
> 
> Option #3: Have an equivalent function for the distribution functions 
> amsrand or absrand which extends the current distribution function to 
> take in parameter and constant expressions and we can keep the current

> random and distribution functions the same as the system verilog 
> counterpart. Apparently SV has already done this by having urand (?)
as 
> an extension to 1364 which will return an unsigned number.
> 
> Option #4: There was a feeling that the constant version is not being 
> used. I wasn't sure about this and if that is the case, the opinion
was 
> to drop this deviation and just keep it consistent with the digital
syntax.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sri
> 
> 
> Bresticker, Shalom wrote:
>> There is a schedule problem. It would require permission from the
P1800
>> Working Group.
>>
>> Shalom
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sri Chandra [mailto:sri.chandra@FREESCALE.COM] Sent: Thursday,

>>> February 07, 2008 7:40 PM
>>> To: Bresticker, Shalom
>>> Cc: Geoffrey.Coram; Verilog-AMS LRM Committee
>>> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Minutes of Verilog-AMS meeting - 31 Jan 2008]
>>>
>>> Can we impress upon the SV committee to extend the current syntax? I

>>> know it might be a difficult task but thought will ask rather than 
>>> assume.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sri
>>>
>>> Bresticker, Shalom wrote:
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any plans to include constant seed argument
>>>>> (parameter) to P1800 standards?
>>> -- 
>>> Srikanth Chandrasekaran
>>> Design Technology (Tools Development)
>>> Freescale Semiconductor Inc.
>>> T:+91-120-439 5000 p:x3824 f: x5199
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