[$ieee-1850] IEEE 1850 PSL Working Group Meeting - 5 Oct 2004 - Minutes

IEEE 1850 PSL Working Group Meeting
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Location: Teleconference
Date: 5 Oct 2004

Presiding Officer: Harry Foster, Chair
Secretary: Erich Marschner

Website: http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850

Members:
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  Accellera DR: Harry Foster
  Cadence DR: Erich Marschner; DRA: TBD
  IBM DR: Yaron Wolfsthal; DRA: TBD
  Mentor Graphics DR: Steve Bailey; DRA: Tej Singh
  Synopsys DR: Surrendra Dudani; DRA: Oz Levia

Attendance Record:
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  Key:
      v : member with voting priveleges during last meeting
      + : present (leftmost = most recent meeting)
      _ : absent
  Members:
v (++) Accellera (DR: Harry Foster)
v (++) Cadence (DR: Erich Marschner)
v (++) IBM (DR: Yaron Wolfsthal)
v (++) Mentor Graphics (DR: Steve Bailey)
v (++) Synopsys (DR: Surrendra Dudani)
  Observers:
     (++) Dana Fisman (Weizmann Institute)
     (++) Avigail Orni (IBM)
     (++) Jin Hou (Synopsys)
     (++) Joseph Lu (NVidia)
     (++) Johan Mårtenson (Safelogic)
     (++) Johan Alfredson (Safelogic)
     (++) Peter Flake (Synopsys)
     (_+) J. Bhasker (eSilicon)
     (++) Sitvanit Ruah (IBM)
     (++) Tom Thatcher (Sun)
     (++) Ben Cohen (consultant)
     (++) Bassam Tabbara (Novas)
     (++) Mohamed-Lyes Benalycherif (ST)
     (+_) Richard Wallace (Northrop Grumman)
     (+_) Tej Singh (Mentor)

Agenda:
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  Call to order
    - Attendance Roll Call
    - Approve Agenda
    - Approve Minutes of Last Meeting
    - Patent Policy
  Old Business
    - Review P&Ps Changes
    - Approve P&Ps and PAR
    - Letters of Assurance
  New Business
    - Working Group Schedule
    - PSL v1.1 Issues List
    - Subcommittee creation
    - Need for funding <= added topic
  Next Meeting
  Adjourn
    - Attendance Roll Call

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Call to order
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The meeting was called to order at 8:05am PDT.

Attendance was recorded via roll call.

The agenda was approved. (motion: Erich; second: Richard; no objections)

The minutes of the last meeting were approved. (motion: Erich; second: Joseph; no objections)

A request was made to post minutes on the web site, separate from the email archive. This is now implemented. (See http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850/meetings.htm).

The IEEE patent policy slides were presented. The working group was advised that the IEEE's Patent Policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy; that early disclosure of patents which may be essential for the use of standards under development is encouraged; that such disclosures may not be exhaustive; and that the IEEE, the working group, and the working group chair cannot ensure that the accuracy of completeness of any disclosure. An opportunity was provided for the working group members to disclose patents that might be essential for use of PSL. No patents were disclosed.

Old Business
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The P&Ps (revised to reflect changes approved in the previous meeting) were discussed. A question was raised regarding who can nominate candidates for office. Further review of the P&Ps made it clear that

  - nominators must be members (i.e., DRs of corporate SA members)
  - a given nominator can nominate any number of nominees for various offices
  - nominees must be eligible members
  - a given nominee can only be nominated for one office

The P&Ps were then approved. (motion: Erich; second: Steve; no objections)

Approval of the PAR was discussed next. It was noted that the PAR has already been approved by NESCOM; approval by the WG would signify only that the WG chooses to go forward based upon the NESCOM-approved PAR, without making any further changes to the PAR (which would then require further NESCOM approval).

The PAR was then approved. (motion: Erich; second: Yaron; no objections)

It was noted that we have no update on the Letters of Assurance situation - still waiting to hear what will be decided in the P1800 effort.

New Business
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The schedule (http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850/docs/P1850-Schedule.xls) was presented and discussed next, with emphasis on the overall structure. Because the PAR focuses on an initial "IEEE-ized" version of the Acellera PSL v1.1 LRM, and because the IEEE balloting process is somewhat more complex than Accellera's, and because we are shooting for the first IEEE 1850 PSL standard to be approved by June 2005, there will little time for technical work. However, there are also a number of extensions that have been proposed, which could be done in time for a second release in June 2006. To address both of these, we plan to work on extensions in parallel with "IEEE-ization" of the PSL v1.1 LRM.

An overview of the issues list (http://www.eda.org/ieee-1850/docs/Issues.doc) was presented next. The working group was asked to submit any additional issues to the reflector, for inclusion in the list.

The question of when to cut off input to the issues list was discussed. Pros and cons of various approaches were considered. No clear decision was made about whether to establish a hard deadline for input to the initial IEEE 1850 standard, prior to the deadline for releasing a draft standard for ballot. This issue may need to be revisited in the next meeting.

Next, the working group discussed the creation of subcommittees to structure the work going forward. Three subcommittees were formed:

1. LRM Subcommittee:

Responsible for creating the IEEE 1850 PSL LRM (by converting the Accellera PSL v1.1 LRM) and for applying simple corrections/clarifications.
(motion: Erich; second: Steve; no objections)

2. Extensions Subcommittee:

Responsible for defining language extensions (including formal semantics for such extensions, where appropriate) in response to requests from the working group.
(motion: Richard, second: Steve; no objections)

3. Issues Subcommittee:

Responsible for reviewing the issues list and proposing priorities and disposition (i.e., to the LRM or Extensions subcommittee) for each issue, for the working group to consider.
(motion: Erich; second: Richard; no objections)

The working group members will have the final say regarding priorities and disposition.

Subcommittees are open to all IEEE 1850 participants. The following people expressed interest in participating in the corresponding subcommittees:

LRM Subcommittee: Harry, Johan A., Erich

Extensions Subcommittee: Dana, Sitvanit, Ben, Johan A., Surrendra, Tej, Johan M., Lyes, Bassam, Avigail, Andrew, Erich

The Issues subcommittee will meet next week to review the issue list and propose priorities and dispositions. In preparation for that meeting, working group participants will be polled regarding the relative priority of each item in the issues list.

Action Item: Erich to create an issues spreadsheet and poll working group participants regarding priorities and dispositions of each item.

Next, the working group discussed the possible need for funding. It was noted that Accellera has allocated about $10K for PSL standardization, although we do not yet know what, if any, need for those funds will occur. For the initial release of the standard, it appears that the volunteer-based approach used in Accellera will continue to work here in the IEEE. However, it may be appropriate to consider the next version of the standard also, and estimate the work involved and possible funding required for that version. It was agreed that the working group should assign someone to look into this. No assignment was made in this meeting, so the issue will need to be revisited.

Next Meeting
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In general, except when specifically announced to the contrary, working group meetings will be held regularly on Tuesdays at 8am-10am Pacific Time, with agendas and teleconference information posted to the ieee-1850 reflector at least 3 days in advance.

The working group will NOT meet on Tuesday October 12 because neither the chair nor the vice-chair will be available for the meeting. Instead, a meeting of the Issues subcommittee will occur at the regularly scheduled working group meeting time (8am-10am PDT). An agenda and teleconference information for the Issues subcommittee meeting will be sent out shortly. Any working group member who would like to participate is welcome to join the conference call. Note that attendance (or lack thereof) will have no impact on voting rights, since this is only a subcommittee meeting.

The next meeting of the working group will be held on Tuesday October 19 from 8am-10am PDT. Teleconference information will be provided separately, along with the agenda for the next meeting.

Adjournment
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Attendance was checked again, by roll call.

The meeting was adjourned at 10:05am PDT.
Received on Tue Oct 5 19:53:38 2004