[$ieee-1850] Some further P&P issues

Erich,

On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:35:25AM -0700, Erich Marschner wrote:
>
> except that I would recommend tightening it up just a bit further:
>
> "The Chair and Vice-Chair shall each be an IEEE member of any grade,
> and also an individual IEEE-SA member, and also a Designated
> Representative (DR) of an entity that is a corporate IEEE-SA member."
>
> Would you agree?

This is fine with me. Since we are re-reviewing anyway, I have two other
issues. The first and more important is that section 7. doesn't seem to
contain any provisions for the case that an observing entity acquires
IEEE-SA membership, or rather it seems a little unclear what rules apply.

One possible interpretation is that if a non-member entity that has had
representatives attending all along becomes an SA member after the first
three meetings then the rule applying to SA members that start attending
for the first time at some time after the first three meeting is
applicable also in this case, i.e. that voting rights shall be granted
only after attendance at two consecutive meetings of the WG after
acquiring SA membership.

One other possibility is that a new SA member will be granted voting
rights based on its attendance record also prior to acquiring SA
membership.

It might be wise to leave this unresolved, I just point it out.

The second thing is the definition of 'Consensus' at the end of Section
3: "Consensus is defined as a majority agreement, but not unanimity". I
may be engaged in hairsplitting at this point but it sounds to me as if
we have unanimity then we don't have consensus according to this
definition. Would't it be better either simply to omit the ", but not
unanimity" clause or expand a little: "Consensus is defined as a
majority agreement. Unanimity is thus not required." or "Consensus is
defined as a majority agreement, not as unanimity."

Best Regards,

Johan M.

> Does anyone disagree with this? If this is
> acceptable, I'll motion to adopt the above sentence in place of the
> current sentence in the P&Ps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Erich
>
> | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-ieee-1850@eda.org |
> [mailto:owner-ieee-1850@eda.org] On Behalf Of Johan Mårtensson | Sent:
> Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:02 AM | To: ieee-1850@eda.org | Subject:
> [$ieee-1850] Unclear sentence in P&P | | Hi, | | I know we already
> ratified the P&P, but still I would like to | suggest a rewriting of
> the second sentence of section 6: | | "The Chair and Vice-Chair shall
> be IEEE members of any grade, | individual IEEE-SA members, and must
> also be a Designated | Representative (DR) of an entity that is a
> corporate IEEE-SA member." | | There is a strange shift from the
> plural into the singular at | the second comma, and also I don't think
> it is made fully | clear that the officers must both be individual
> IEEE members | and in addition to that individual IEEE-SA members (if
> indeed | that is what is meant). So I suggest either of the following
> | wordings: | | | "The Chair and Vice-Chair shall be IEEE members of
> any grade, | and also individual IEEE-SA members, and must also be |
> Designated Representatives | (DR) of some entity that is a corporate
> IEEE-SA member." | | or | | "The Chair and Vice-Chair shall be an IEEE
> member of any | grade, and also an individual IEEE-SA member, and must
> also | be a Designated Representative (DR) of an entity that is a |
> corporate IEEE-SA member." | | Best Regards, Johan M | | -- |
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