RE: Minutes from meeting

Damian,
I agree and I'll add that to the presentation where you suggest.

Duaine 

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From: owner-itc@eda.org [mailto:owner-itc@eda.org] On Behalf Of
Deneault, Damian
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:02 PM
To: 'brian_bailey@acm.org'; itc@eda.org
Subject: RE: Minutes from meeting


There is one goal that we discussed a couple times. 
It is related to the long lead time for customer acceptance of SCE-MI
1.x, and the need to show a forward path that does not invalidate the
pre-adoption development and investigation work done to date.

The goal was verbally discussed as something like "Insure compatibility
for 1.x based verification IP and user investment".  
Each time that it was discussed we agreed verbally on it and said that
the first bullet on slide 13 ("Adherence to original goals...") was
trying to capture it.

I believe it should be explicitly stated, not assumed.

Damian Deneault
Zaiq technologies 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Bailey [mailto:brian_bailey@acm.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:20 PM
To: 'Jason Andrews'; itc@eda.org
Cc: 'Jason Rothfuss'
Subject: RE: Minutes from meeting


        Thanks Jason(s),
            I would also like to use this as a reminder to everyone else
that tomorrow is the deadline to get to me any issues or corrections to
the high level goals and objectives as laid out in slides 11-15 of
Duaine's presentation.
        The lack of feedback indicates your acceptance of them.
        
        Regards,
        Brian
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Andrews [mailto:jason@verisity.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:25 PM
To: brian_bailey@acm.org; itc@eda.org
Cc: 'Jason Rothfuss'
Subject: RE: Minutes from meeting
        
        Hi Brian,
        
        Here is our feedback on the goals. It comes from Jason Rothfuss
        and myself.
        
        Thanks.
        
 
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        Verisity Feedback on SCE-MI 2.0 goals as outlined by Duaine on
slides 11-15
        
        
        1. Reference Implementation and Compliance Suite
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        Our most important feedback is the goal of the committee to
provide a
        reference 
        implementation of SCE-MI and a test suite to help ensure
compliance by all
        vendors.
        We feel this is the best way to achieve the goals of enlarging
the market
        for EDA 
        vendors and enabling increased development of VIP by users and
3rd parties.
        
        A free implementation that runs on all popular simulators is a
must to
        spread SCE-MI 
        to a wider audience. The reference may or may not include source
code, but
        it must run
        easily on popular platforms. We don't have complete approval at
this time,
        but we
        would be interested to provide this. 
        
        We feel the goal of SCE-MI is to enable a large set of models
for users that
        run the
        same way on all acceleration/emulation/prototyping systems. This
allows
        users to 
        choose products based on the features and benefits vs. choosing
based on
        available models. 
        If this is not the goal then we should all go back to
proprietary interfaces
        and selling 
        models that only work on our own platforms.
        
        2. Ease-of-Use
        --------------
        We support any activities to make the life of the model
developer easier.
        Enhancements 
        to simplify clocking, the use of variable length messages, and
data
        streaming are examples. 
        This supports of the goal of not requiring A+ engineers to
develop models.
        By providing the 
        reference environment discussed in #1 more engineers can learn
how to
        develop models.
        
        3. Languages
        -------------
        We support continued use of C/C++
        Every other language used in verification can easily call and be
called by
        C.
        
        4. Acceleration Subset
        ----------------------
        We do NOT support any effort to define a new subset of Verilog,
VHDL, or
        System Verilog 
        for the purposes of accelerating modeling constructs.
        We feel the current de facto standards are sufficient for
engineers to
        develop models. 
        As new enhancements to the current languages used for design are
made they
        can be 
        adopted for modeling. SCE-MI is an interface and not about
developing
        special synthesis 
        tools for acceleration. Even though we develop such tools in
Verisity (such
        as e synthesis) 
        we don't see this as useful for improving the standard and
promoting
        increased usage. 
        In fact, it would likely lead to vendor separation based on
proprietary
        synthesis tools 
        and make interoperability even worse than it is now.
        
        
        
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: owner-itc@eda.org [mailto:owner-itc@eda.org] On Behalf 
        > Of Brian Bailey
        > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:59 AM
        > To: itc@eda.org
        > Subject: Minutes from meeting
        > 
        >         Please find attached the minutes from today's 
        > meeting. Important action item for everyone - all proposed 
        > modification, or acceptance of the goals must be mailed to me
by 3/30
        >         
        >         Thanks
        >         Brian 
        >