[sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting minutes for 09/22/2004

Minutes of 09/22/04 SV-CC Meeting.
ATTENDEES
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xxx Ghassan Khoory
xxx Francoise Martinolle
xxx Doug Warmke
xxx Bassam Tabbara
xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
xxx Joao Geada
xxx Charles Dawson
xxx Jim Vallega
xx- Ralph Duncan
x-- Rob Slater
x-- Sachchidananda Patel
x-- Michael Rohleder
x-- John Stickley
-x- Jim Garnett
-x- Steven Dovich
--x Swapnajit Mitra
--x Karen Pieper

1. Reviewed Patent information.

   - Charles Dawson read the patent information.

2. Reviewed minutes of the 9/15/04 Meeting.

   - Joao moves that we accept the minutes.
     Ralph seconds. No opposed. No abstentions Passed.

3. Liaisons

   - Chas reported on the PTF activities. PTF will be working
     on errata for 1364 going forward, as directed by 1800.
     They are also interested in two large changes:
      - deprecating the PLI 1.0 sections
      - converting diagrams to UML
     The second item generated some discussion on whether we
     wanted to do the same for the systemVerilog VPI sections.
     Joao expressed concern about the printability of the
     diagrams generated by Rational Rose. Francoise reported
     that Peter Ashenden had resolved the printing issue for
     VHPI. Francoise took an action to find out what was done
     for VHPI. JimV questioned whether the IEEE would allow
     vendors to ship the UML, or would the vendors need to
     pay royalties. Francoise to research.

4. New business

   - Francoise questioned how we would interact with the database,
     and what the values for the different fields meant. After
     a lengthy discussion, Chas took an action to ask Karen to:

     - write up a process from initial entry of an issue to final
       resolution, detailing the various states that a issue can
       be in and how to transition from one to another.

     In the mean time, we decided that proposals should be added
     as a separate bugnote that begins with a "Proposal:" line.

   - Chas noted that due to the agenda being sent out too late, we
     would not be able to vote on any items but could do straw
     polls. The process that we will follow, as adopted at our
     last meeting, is there has been insufficient notification of
     a vote we will take a straw poll. If prior to the next
     meeting someone objects, then the issue will be reopened.
     Otherwise, the straw poll will become an official vote
     at the next meeting. Chas also noted that he will be trying
     to publish the minutes in plenty of time for the next meeting
     and the minutes will include a list of items that have complete
     proposals. This will allow us to vote on them at the next
     meeting.

   - Item 162: Wrong outline of task func in VPI Instance diagram

     Chas noted that "task func" should also be italicized. JimV
     agreed. Straw Poll: Accepted as amended. (No objections)

   - Item 124: Inconsistent VPI names: var(iable) drivers and loads

     Discussed. Straw Poll: Accepted as proposed (No objections)

   - Item 123: Clarify meaning of "member typespec" in VPI

     Discussed. Joao was concerned that this proposal may conflict
     with potential solutions for item #80. Francoise and JimV
     were not sure about that. During the course of discussion, JimV
     noticed several problems with his proposal. JimV took an action
     to fix the problems and submit a new proposal.

   - Item 122: Eliminate property vpiTypedefType as redundant

     Discussed. Joao was concerned this may conflict with potential
     solutions for item #80. Francoise and JimV took an action to
     work on #122 and #80 together to come up with a cohesive solution
     to both issues.

5. Old Business

   - Chas to see if everyone can be set to developer for accessing
     the database.

     Chas now has an account setup, but has not had a chance to
     play with it much yet.

   - Everyone to send the set of items to which they have already
     made proposals.

     Chas received lists from Francoise, JimV, Ralph and Doug.

Meeting ended at 1:05pm (EDT)

6. Action items

   - Chas to see if everyone can be set to developer for accessing
     the database.
   - Everyone to send the set of items that they will be working on.
   - Everyone to send the set of items to which they have already
     made proposals.
   - Chas to get the database updated to reflect the 8/11 meeting.
   - Chas to make sure everyone is on the SV-CC email list.
   - Francoise to ask Peter Ashenden what was done to improve
     printing from Rational Rose.
   - Francoise to inquire about the feasibility of third parties
     shipping the UML for the diagrams.
   - Chas to ask Karen to write up the process for resolving any
     given database item.
   - JimV to resubmit a proposal for Item 123.
   - JimV and Francoise to work on a cohesive solution for Item 122
     and Item 80.

7. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have
     proposals):

   - Item 077: VPI diagram for instances shouldn't refer to reg objects
   - Item 205: Clarify size relationship of packed type canonical/vendor formats.
   - Item 202: Fix 1 erroneous cross-ref, 1 grammar error.
   - Item 160: Multiple packed dimensions (agree on interpretation), fix cross-ref & text.
   - Item 049: Decide on semantics: require import fn return value data type, add sentence.
   - Item 048: Fix obsolete text on imported task return type.
   - Item 047: Fix 3 erroneous cross-references.
   - Item 046: Fix 1 typo and 1 grammar error.
   - Item 156: Jeita 31: In Index, issue with blocking and DPI imports
   - Item 198: Add unions to list of supported unpacked aggregate types for DPI arguments
   - Item 199: More detail needed for DPI treatment of dynamic array arguments
   - Item 200: Clarifications needed in DPI Annex E.6, "Data Types"
   - Item 201: More details needed on DPI string argument handling
   - Item 123: Clarify meaning of "member typespec" in VPI

-- 
Charles Dawson
Senior Engineering Manager
NC-Verilog Team
Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
270 Billerica Road
Chelmsford, MA  01824
(978) 262 - 6273
chas@cadence.com