[sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting minutes for 02/02/2005

Minutes of 02/02/2005 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES
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xxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Doug Warmke
--x--xxxx--xxxxxxxxxxx Joao Geada
xxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx- Ralph Duncan
x-xxxx-x-xxxxxxxxx-x-- Sachchidananda Patel
xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx-- Michael Rohleder
-xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-x- Jim Garnett
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx--x- Steven Dovich
x--x-xx-xxx----------- Stu Sutherland
xxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxx-xxx Jim Vellenga
-xx--x-xxxxxxxxxxx-xxx Bassam Tabbara
-----x-xx--xxxxx-xxx-- John Stickley
-xxxxx---x-xxxx-x-xxxx Ghassan Khoory
xxxx---xxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
-------x-x-xxxxxx--x-- Rob Slater
---------------------x Swapnajit Mitra
---------------------x Karen Pieper
-------------------x-- Angshuman Saha
---------------x------ Kevin Cameron
-------------x-------- Amit Kohli
------------x--------- Surrendra Dudani

1. Reviewed Patent information.

    - Charles Dawson reviewed the patent information.

2. Reviewed minutes of the 01/26/2005 Meeting.
   - Minutes say we reviewed minutes from 1/5 and they were actually from 1/19.
   - Generates minutes need clarification:
     - Item 313 PTF 296: Generate stmts will need change made in VPI
       - Chas made a new proposal: 313-3.[fm|pdf]
         - This proposal has a 1 to 1 transition from gen scope array
           to the gen var used in the for gen loop
         - Friendly amendment to memory to reg array and add a vpiMemory label.
           JimV/Francoise. PASSED as amended (unanimous)
         - Chas uploaded 313-4.[fm|pdf] to reflect friendly amendment
   - Ralph/JimV. ACCEPTED as amended.

3. Liaisons

   - Francoise reported on the BC committee's work on constructors. It
     no longer looks like a concatenation. Our current model
     uses the concatenation expression to model them. Francoise thinks that
     we should create a new operator. Currently no way to decompile
     to original code, no default, type or index key. We return the
     fully exploded constructor. BC voted today, will go through the
     champions then working group. Regardless of the syntax, Francoise
     doesn't think our current definition is correct. JimV commented that
     we don't always allow for a decompile to the original syntax.
     Francoise will file a new SV-CC item to track the issue. Perhaps two:
       - one to address the syntax change that happened in SV-BC.
       - one to deal with the weakness in the data model.
   - EC committee also has some impact from the BC work. They will have to
     look at this too.
   - No other meetings to report on.

4. New business

   - Item 366
     - Ralph's proposal is to add back information which was deleted un-intentionally
       when we redid Item 50.
     - Friendly amendment to specify that the remaining bits "shall be left unchanged."
     - Ralph/Doug. PASSED as amended (unanimous).
     - Doug will upload a PDF/HTML version today.
   - Discussed Shalom's issues.
     - Committee was okay with his changes to the vpi_user.h file.
     - Committee discussed the memory issue on the scope diagram in Item 313.
       This is covered by another issue, so should not be reflected here.
     - Committee discussed putting the generates diagram at the end of section 26.
       Chas had told Shalom that that would be okay. Committee okay with it too.
   - Stu had some editing questions:
     - Stu wanted to reorder the diagrams into a more logical order.
       Only issue would be references in the current open Items. Not that many
       left. Sections need to be renumbered for the ballot draft anyway.
       Stu/Michael move to allow Stu to reorder the section into a logical order.
       ACCEPTED (unanimous).
   - Due to DVCon in 2 weeks, the committee chose to cancel the 02/16/2005 meeting.

Meeting ended at 1:15PM EST.

5. Reviewed of items with proposals.

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6. Old Business

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7. Action items

   SV-CC action items:
   - Francoise to ask Peter Ashenden what was done to improve
     printing from Rational Rose.
   - Francoise to inquire about the feasibility of third parties
     shipping the UML for the diagrams.
   - JimV to enter a new SV-CC item for adding tables for return values of
     the properties.
   - Stu to file new SV-CC item that will address bigger issue he pointed
     out in Item 321.
   - Francoise and Chas to investigate what to do for systemVerilog and generates
   - Francoise to file new Item(s) to track the issue with BC committee's work on
     constructors.

   PTF action items:
   - Steve to compare BNF with the access available
     for attributes to see if they match
   - Stu to enter new PTF item for save/restart/reset issue.
   - Francoise to lookup wording for PTF 524 in VHPI.
   - Francoise will open a new PTF issue to look for situations like 25.6.15,
     where multiple methods are used access the same object enclosure
   - Chas to reword proposal for PTF 525.
   - Francoise to file a PTF item that asks to specify the order that iteration
     occur in, when the order is important.
   - Steve to add ETF item for Annex C to remove the Informative label, but
     still allow the contents to be optional.
   - Chas to update PTF database for the SV-CC Items to Shalom's satisfaction.
   - Chas to file an Item on the usage of the term "tags" at the beginning of
     clause 27.

8. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals):

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Charles Dawson
Senior Engineering Manager
NC-Verilog Team
Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
270 Billerica Road
Chelmsford, MA  01824
(978) 262 - 6273
chas@cadence.com