[sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting minutes for 04/20/2005

Minutes of 04/20/2005 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES
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xxxxxxxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Doug Warmke
xxxx-xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx- Ralph Duncan
xxxxxxxx-xxxx-x-xxxxxxxxx-x-- Sachchidananda Patel
xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx-- Michael Rohleder
-xxxxxx-xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-x- Jim Garnett
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx--x- Steven Dovich
xxxxxxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxx-xxx Jim Vellenga
xxxxx------------------------ Rohit Rana
x-xx----xx--x-xxxxxxxxxxx-xxx Bassam Tabbara
-xxx---x--x-xx-xxx----------- Stu Sutherland
x------xxxx---xxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
--xx------------------------- Tapati Basu
--x-------------------------- Ashish Naik
------------x-xx--xxxxx-xxx-- John Stickley
--------xxxxx---x-xxxx-x-xxxx Ghassan Khoory
---------x--xxxx--xxxxxxxxxxx Joao Geada
--------------x-x-xxxxxx--x-- Rob Slater
----------------------------x Swapnajit Mitra
----------------------------x Karen Pieper
--------------------------x-- Angshuman Saha
----------------------x------ Kevin Cameron
--------------------x-------- Amit Kohli
-------------------x--------- Surrendra Dudani

1.  Reviewed Patent information.

   - Charles Dawson reviewed the patent information.


2.  Reviewed minutes of the 04/15/2005 Meeting.

   - Ralph/Steve ACCEPTED (francoise abstained)


3.  Liaisons

   - Chas reported on the P1800 committee meeting.
     - All items accepted except Items 415 and 422 which needed additional
       clarification.
     - The P1800 committee agreed to extend the schedule.  We have until
       May 11th to finish.  The Champions are meeting on May 2nd, 9th, and
       11th.  All other committees must be done by May 9th.
   - Francoise attended a couple of other committee meetings on monday.
     Nothing at those meetings will effect the SV-CC.


4.  New business

   - We need to schedule another long meeting between 4/27 and 4/29.
     Please send Chas your availability during that time.
   - Item 432
     Motion to reconsider Bassam/Steve.  ACCEPTED (unanimous)
     Friendly amendment to add final sentence as shown in proposal.
     PASSED (unanimous) as amended.


5.  Reviewed of items with proposals.

   - Item 465
     Still not ready.  Francoise to revise.

   - Item 589
     JimG says that this should be closed as not a bug.  Long discussion.
     Michael and Bassam think that it is useful.  Steve and Chas don't
     see the point.  Based on the discussion, it's obvious that the
     specification is unclear on how the user_data field should be used.
     Francoise thinks that she has asked to remove it in the past, but
     could not remember what happened.  She'll look up in her records.


Meeting ended at 1:02pm EDT.


6.  Old Business


7.  Action items

   SV-CC action items:
   - Francoise to ask Peter Ashenden what was done to improve
     printing from Rational Rose.
   - Francoise to inquire about the feasibility of third parties
     shipping the UML for the diagrams.
   - JimV to enter a new SV-CC item for adding tables for return values of
     the properties.
   - Stu to file new SV-CC item that will address bigger issue he pointed
     out in Item 321.
   - Francoise and Chas to investigate what to do for systemVerilog and generates
   - Chas/Francoise to review/change proposal for Item 455.
   - Chas to redo proposal for Item 463.
   - Francoise to clarify definition of frames for Item 465.
   - Chas to lookup definition of vpiFullName in 1364 for Item 610.
   - Sachi to rework proposal for Item 482.
   - Bassam to work on new proposal for Item 431.

   PTF action items:
   - Steve to compare BNF with the access available
     for attributes to see if they match
   - Stu to enter new PTF item for save/restart/reset issue.
   - Francoise to lookup wording for PTF 524 in VHPI.
   - Francoise will open a new PTF issue to look for situations like 25.6.15,
     where multiple methods are used access the same object enclosure
   - Chas to reword proposal for PTF 525.
   - Francoise to file a PTF item that asks to specify the order that iteration
     occur in, when the order is important.
   - Steve to add ETF item for Annex C to remove the Informative label, but
     still allow the contents to be optional.
   - Chas to file an Item on the usage of the term "tags" at the beginning of
     clause 27.


8.  Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals):
   - Item 482 32.27 Don't need vpiBuiltIn property
   - Item 606 32.30 Problems with data model for clocking blocks
   - Item 604 Annex E: routines are not always declared in instantiable scopes
   - Item 425 29.3.2.1 violates a principle design feature of VPI
   - Item 487 32.34 Order of operands should be in 32.39
   - Item 431 29.5 pollutes the VPI name space
   - Item 425 29.3.2.1 violates a principle design feature of VPI
   - Item 435 30.2.2.1 Phrase "has no effect" is ambiguous

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Charles Dawson
Senior Engineering Manager
NC-Verilog Team
Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
270 Billerica Road
Chelmsford, MA  01824
(978) 262 - 6273
chas@cadence.com