[sv-cc] Meeting minutes for 03/28/2007

Minutes of 03/28/2007 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES
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xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
x-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga
xxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
xx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse
x-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder
xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking
xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara
-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
xxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory
---xx----------- Steve Dovich
x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli
x--------------- Stu Sutherland

1.  Reviewed Patent information.

   - Chas reviewed the patent information.


2.  Reviewed minutes of the 03/14/2007 Meeting.
     Date column was incorrect.
     - Ralph/JimV.  ACCEPTED (unanimous) as modified


3.  Liaisons

   - No other meetings to report on.


4.  New business

   - Review of merged document
     Chuck found one issue 1766 - not a merged document specific issue,
     just found while looking at it.  Fixed in 458, but lost somewhere.

     Stu is planning to do some editing in the overview sections, but he
     hasn't had a chance to do that.  All sections still needs some more
     editing: need to replace Verilog with SystemVerilog in many places.
     Lots of broken xrefs.  Stu would like feedback on the organization;
     Chapter location and appendix location.  Michael asked about the
     VCD file location.  Stu put the file format into an appendix.  We
     should make sure that everything that was to be cut-pasted, actually
     did get cut and pasted.  Ralph asked if the acknowledged items have
     been properly dealt with.  Item 1456.  Stu outlined his plans for
     draft 3.

     Chas will make a list of Mantis items that have been approved by
     SV-CC but did not make the merged draft (draft 2).

     Francoise had previously commented to Stu that the titles for the
     annexes do not tie in well with the sections of the LRM that are
     associated with.  Stu is not quite sure what she wanted.  Francoise
     needs to follow up with Stu on the request.

     Michael asked about how we could go about extending VCD to work with
     the new SystemVerilog constructs.  Jim commented that we had already
     requested of the SV-BC that they do that.  Stu thinks there is an
     already existing mantis item.

     Jim moved that all proposals be based on the merged document (draft 2)
     or later.  Michael seconds.  Kind of validates this document.  P1800
     is looking for comments on the organization.  Also wants to know that
     if we should go with this document or keep separate docs.  Bassam
     wanted to know if P1800 says that we keep separate docs, what happens?
     This motion would be void.  Motion APPROVED (unanimous)

     Michael moves that we recommend that P1800 proceed with the merged doc.
     JimV seconds.  Motion APPROVED (unanimous).


5.  Reviewed items with proposals.

   - Item 1726 Clarify meaning of vpiConstantSelect

     Jim sent out some clarifications on this earlier today.  All index
     expressions need to be elaboration time constant expressions in order
     for vpiConstantSelect to be true.  We are pretty much in agreement
     on that.  What do we do about dynamically allocated objects?  Last time,
     Chas had suggested putting forth some use models.  Michael wanted to know
     if we knew for sure if we knew that an elaboration time constant would
     always be the same for all the tools.  In other words is that well
     defined in the LRM?  Michael found clause 6.18 in draft 2.  JimV thinks
     that this is just for elab time constant, not elab time const expr.  Michael
     was looking at 11.1.1.  Whether or not you have to re-eval ranges to see
     if it is still in bounds.  Whether or not the object still exists.
     We should postpone the debate until people have a chance to review JimV's
     message.


6.  Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only).

   - Item 1766  VPI Nets object model shows 1-to-many for vpiLeftRange

     Friendly amendment to change the colors so that it is easier to see
     the change.  Friendly amendment to allow Chuck to modify the section number
     to match draft 2.  JimV/Chuck.  PASSED (unanimous) as amended.  Chuck to
     post an updated proposal.

Motion to adjourn.  JimV/Chuck.  Meeting ended at 12:59pm.


7.  Old Business

8.  Action items

    - Ongoing review of Michael and Abi's compatibility proposal.
    - Francoise and Bassam to continue work on assignment patterns.
    - Francoise to champion adding support for typed parameters to the
      typespec diagrams.
    - Abi to champion adding support for parameterized classes.
    - Abi/JimV to champion improving the ability to compare objects.
    - Steve Dovich to determine best way to deal with issues between
      versions of the IEEE specs.
    - SV-CC to review proposal for Item 0890.
    - Michael to compose response to the Clean Scheduling Proposal.
    - All to verify their Acknowledged Mantis Items.
    - Steve to send out exact text on referring to a prior version.
    - Chas to gather a list of all SV-CC approved mantis items which have
      not been incorporated into draft 2.

9.  Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals):

   - Item 1726 Clarify meaning of vpiConstantSelect

10. Next meeting
    The next SV-CC meeting will be on 04/11/2007.
    The next P1800 meeting will be on 04/05/2007.

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