RE: [sv-cc] Meeting minutes for 04/25/2007

Hello SV-CC,

I was hoping to make this request before your face-to-face, but somehow
I forgot.
On the SV-BC reflector, we have recently been discussing the V2K
"memory" construct
in the merged LRM.  Basically, SV "unpacked arrays" are a pure superset
of V2K memories.
Retaining the term "Memory" in the merged LRM is therefore redundant.
The SV side of the
language would be simplified and have better integrity if we could drop
the special
handling of the term "memory".

However, we know that the term has a lot of significance in the world of
VPI.
Could you guys please discuss this issue, and see if you could also come
to some
sort of arrangement in which special handling of "memory" is subsumed
into the
general handling of "fixed size unpacked array"?

Thank you,
Doug Warmke

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> Minutes of 04/25/2007 SV-CC Meeting.
> 
> ATTENDEES
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> xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
> xxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga
> xxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
> xxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse
> xxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder
> xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking
> xxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara
> xx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
> xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory
> -----xx----------- Steve Dovich
> --x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli
> --x--------------- Stu Sutherland
> x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil
> 
> 1.  Reviewed Patent information.
> 
>    - Chas reviewed the patent information.
> 
> 
> 2.  Reviewed minutes of the 04/11/2007 Meeting.
>      - Ralph/Chuck.  ACCEPTED
> 
> 
> 3.  Liaisons
>    - Chas commented on the P1800 meeting. 890  Going ahead with merged
doc.
>    - Francoise has no other meetings to report.
>    - No other meetings to report on.
> 
> 
> 4.  New business
> 
>    - Gord's tf_nodeinfo() question
>      Michael thinks we should force people to go to VPI.  There is no
>      reason for it.  Too many other issues are coming up.  Abi agrees.
>      Chas commented that the main concern is for accessing memories
>      efficiently.  Michael suggested accessing memories as a packed
array
>      of words.  Jim pointed out that there were cases where customers
>      did not want to propagate the values.  Abi asked when we would be
>      encroaching on DPI.  Michael thought that the use model for the
>      two interfaces are different.  Gord commented that if we went too
>      far in VPI, the implementations would be fully constrained.
>      Gord thinks that it might be a reasonable option to consciously
>      decide that vendors would provide a proprietary solution for the
>      performance issues.  Francoise suggested a function tray idea for
>      dealing with the memory performance.  Michael liked the idea.
>      Michael proposed that we should do some brainstorming on how to
>      improve VPI performance for accessing memories and arrays.
> 
>    - Agenda for the 4/30-5/1 face to face meeting
>      Add accessing memories and arrays.  Switch order of compatibility
>      and packed structs.
> 
>    - Chuck sent out a new compatibility doc
>      Chuck would like to discuss the include file layout.  Abi asked
that
>      there be a 2008 compatibility mode.
> 
> 5.  Reviewed items with proposals.
> 
>    - Item 1726 Clarify meaning of vpiConstantSelect
>      Francoise and Jim had a long discussion on this again.
>      Tied into the discussion needed on validity.
> 
> Motion to Adjourn.  JimV/Michael.  Meeting ended at 1:06pm.
> 
> 6.  Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only).
> 
> 7.  Old Business
> 
> 8.  Action items
> 
>    - Ongoing review of Michael and Abi's compatibility proposal.
>    - Francoise and Bassam to continue work on assignment patterns.
>    - Francoise to champion adding support for typed parameters to the
>      typespec diagrams.
>    - Abi to champion adding support for parameterized classes.
>    - Abi/JimV to champion improving the ability to compare objects.
>    - Steve Dovich to determine best way to deal with issues between
>      versions of the IEEE specs.
>    - SV-CC to review proposal for Item 0890.
>    - Michael to compose response to the Clean Scheduling Proposal.
>    - All to verify their Acknowledged Mantis Items.
>    - Steve to send out exact text on referring to a prior version.
>    - Chas to gather a list of all SV-CC approved mantis items which
have
>      not been incorporated into draft 2.
>    - Chas to formulate an agenda for the next SV-CC face to face
meeting.
> 
> 
> 9.  Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have
proposals):
> 
>    - Item 1726 Clarify meaning of vpiConstantSelect
>    - Item 1741 1800-2005 Section 27.50 Issues with foreach diagram
> 
> 
> 10. Next meeting
>     The next SV-CC meeting will be the face to face starting on
04/30/2007.
>     The next P1800 meeting will be on 05/24/2007.
> 
> 
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