Minutes of 12/19/2007 SV-CC Meeting. ATTENDEES 0000000000000000000000000000000000 7777777777777777777777777666666666 1111100000000000000000000111110000 2210099888876655443322111221009988 1002121221012020212121310200212131 9574062925180639518484173068517306 xxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson xx-x-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan xxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga -xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk xx-xxxx---xx--xxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking -xxxxx-xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle xxxxxxxx---xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory xxxxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse -xx-x------xxx-x--x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli ---x-xxxx--xxxx------------------- Pankaj Pal --x-xxxxx--xxxx------------------- Anil Arora -----x-x----xx-------------------- Arjinder Vasir ------------------x--------------- Stu Sutherland ----------------x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil xx-------------x-----xx----------- Steve Dovich -------x-------------------------- Neil Korpusik ----x----------------------------- John Havlicek x--------------------------------- John Shields 1. Reviewed Patent information - Chas reviewed the patent information which can be found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt 2. Reviewed minutes for 12/05/2007 Ralph/Chuck. ACCEPTED 3. Liaisons - Francoise reported that the names resolution issues were passed by the SV-BC (1809). That one has links to the others. We now need to review them to see what the impact is on VPI. - Chas reported on the P1800 meeting. Chas forgot to bring up that we need to be clear when we are speaking for the committee. Chas will send a note to the P1800 committee. - No other meetings to report on. 4. New business - Mark Item 2193 as a duplicate of Item 2226 Abi/Chuck. PASSED (unanimous) - Problem with Item 0417 This fix was lost in the merge of the document. Postpone debate on this. Chas will ask the editor if he can just fix it or how best he wants it handled. Jim will send Chas a list with the things he has noticed were lost. - Cannot update item 1570? Ralph has a version of the proposal but cannot update the new file. Ralph will send the update to Chas and he will update. - Item 1503 Jim thinks there is one more issue that Lisa put out that Bassam has not responded to. Postpone discussion until Bassam is at the meeting. - vpiProtected vs. vpiIsProtected There is a vpiProtected property on several objects (like modules) but it is not clear what the definition property is. The encryption section uses vpiIsProtected and defines what it should be. vpiIsProtected is not in the include file. vpiProtected should be deprecated. Someone should put a proposal together. Steve will put a proposal or two proposals to add vpiIsProtected to the include file and to deprecate vpiProtected. - discussion on handle lifetime John Shields believes that Mentor is at an impasse. They haven't been able to find a compromise that satisfies everyone. John would like to withdraw the proposal that is already out there. Abi wanted Michael to comment on use models and see if there is justification to do the work needed to make it usable. Michael thought that the proposal was hard to understand; thinks he understands the issue. Basic requirement that the application needs to know that an object has gone away. Maybe we could have a "copy object" function? How would you differentiate it from a first class object? Could only use it to retrieve properties. The copy would be static at that point. Michael moves that we ask the P1800 committee for more time to resolve the issue. Chuck seconds. We have until 2/15/08. Steve suggests that we be very frank about the issue, and be clear on the impact it will have during ballot. ACCEPTED (unanimous) JohnS took an action to compose a draft of the message which we will finalize at our next meeting. 5. Reviewed items with proposals - Item 1741 1800-2005 Section 27.50 Issues with foreach diagram JimV/Chuck. PASSED (unanimous) - Item 2054 Draft 3A, Section 40 - Deprecate Data Read API Chas thinks that if Bassam and Ghassan do not come up with proposals for the open items in the data read API then we should pass this. Chuck proposes postponing debate until it is clear how Bassam and Ghassan are doing. JimV seconds. ACCEPTED - Item 1952 "Null Argument" to mean "omitted Argument" may be confusing Michael/Ralph. PASSED (unanimous) Chuck/Ralph. Meeting ended at 12:59pm. 6. Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only) 7. Old Business 8. Action items - Francoise and Bassam to continue work on assignment patterns. - Francoise to champion adding support for typed parameters to the typespec diagrams. - Abi/JimV to champion improving the ability to compare objects. - Steve to send out exact text on referring to a prior version. - Francoise and Bassam to figure out what should happen when you get the size of a string constant. - Bassam and Ghassan to prioritize list of issues with Read API. - Bassam to file a Mantis Item and add a proposal to resolve the issues with arguments to property inst. - Chas to send SV-BS request to work on Item 0672. - Chas to add to agenda a discussion of additional meeting times. - Chas to send SV-AC notification of our acceptance of the proposal for Item 1361. - Chas to send the P1800 committee a request that the other committees be clear when a member of the committee is speaking for the committee. - JohnS to write draft of request to P1800 for more time. - Chas to update Item 1570. - Chas to ask the editor about Item 0417. - Steve to write a proposal for dealing with the inconsistencies with the protection properties. 9. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals) - Item 2094 Need to extend VPI to handle class specializations - Item 0748 vpiParent of var select can only be array var - Item 1599 The assertion API and VPI sections need changes as per mantis #805 - Item 1230 How to represent packed arrays of complex types in VPI - Item 2218 Clarify meaning of vpi_compare_objects() - Item 2216 Details missing from VPI Generates object diagram - Item 2143 How should VPI handle index expressions with side effects? - Item 2054 Draft 3A, Section 40 - Deprecate Data Read API 10. Next meeting The next SV-CC meeting will be on 01/02/2008. The next P1800 meeting will be on 01/31/2008. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.Received on Thu Dec 20 12:56:24 2007
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