[sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting Minutes for 01/02/2008

Minutes of 01/02/2008 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES
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xxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
-xx-x-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan
xxxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga
--xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
xxx-xxxx---xx--xxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking
x-xxxxx-xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara
xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
-xxxxxxxx---xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory
xxxxxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse
x-xx-x------xxx-x--x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli
xxx-------------x-----xx----------- Steve Dovich
xx--------------------------------- John Shields
----x-xxxx--xxxx------------------- Pankaj Pal
x--x-xxxxx--xxxx------------------- Anil Arora
------x-x----xx-------------------- Arjinder Vasir
-------------------x--------------- Stu Sutherland
-----------------x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil
--------x-------------------------- Neil Korpusik
-----x----------------------------- John Havlicek


1.  Reviewed Patent information

   - Chas reviewed the patent information which can be
     found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt


2.  Reviewed minutes for 12/19/2007
   Michael/Chuck.  ACCEPTED


3.  Liaisons

   - Francoise reported on the Champions meeting.
     Items 1757 and 1898 need review by SV-CC.  There was general concern
     that the VPI has been spread out and a user may not be able to find
     things.  Maybe we need some references or to consolidate them into
     one section?  Jim asked if they were covered by 1503?  Bassam did not
     think so.  Chas asked Francoise if this was a directive from the
     Champions, or was it just her opinion.  She thought it was a directive.
     Bassam said that new things were added where their predecessors already
     lived.  Agrees that things should be consolidated.  Abi asked if it
     was possible that the editor could reorganize this?  Francoise thought
     that the minimum action should be to add a reference in the VPI section
     to the assertion section where the new callbacks are defined.  Abi
     thought it would be hard to handle this through a single mantis item.
     Steve suggested that it would be more efficient to have the editor
     re-arrange them in a sensible manner, rather than incur the inefficiencies
     of making a proposal.  Chas to ask the editor if this is possible.
   - No other meetings to report on.


4.  New business

   - Discussing the message to P1800 requesting more time
     Discussed the timeframe.  Can we have a face to face at DVCon?
     Should we have someone from Novas come?  We can probably get someone
     to attend.  Chuck moves that we send the note with PLI changed to VPI.
     Abi seconds.  ACCEPTED.  Chas to send.

   - Item 1503
     Last meeting we postponed discussion until Bassam was here.
     Francoise doesn't like the argument object.  Should be the same
     as a variable.  Bassam agrees.  Was done this way historically.
     Chas pointed out that we already have backwards compatibility
     issues.  Jim and Bassam explored the semantics some.  There seems
     to be some question on whether or not we need a new object or if
     one of the existing ones will do.  Francoise asked if an identifier
     could have a default value.  This functionality seems to be removed
     from in the proposal.  Bassam doesn't think that should have happened.
     May have to extend the variables to include sequence and property
     types.  Bassam thinks they are most similar to port lists.  He thinks
     we should try to model it after io decls.  Francoise is not sure that
     io decls would be appropriate.  Still considers variables as a possible
     model.  isCoverSequence should be vpiIsCoverSequence.  Bassam to work
     with Lisa Piper on proposal.

   - Continued discussion on handle lifetime
     Michael asked a couple of questions about the proposal Abi made.
     Can some of the issues be hidden from the user?  Michael also was unsure
     what value the locking mechanism hand.  Chas to work on face to face
     schedule.  Abi to set up calls.

Steve/Bassam.  Meeting ended at 1:25pm.


5.  Reviewed items with proposals


6.  Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only)


7.  Old Business


8.  Action items

   - Francoise and Bassam to continue work on assignment patterns.
   - Francoise to champion adding support for typed parameters to the
     typespec diagrams.
   - Abi/JimV to champion improving the ability to compare objects.
   - Steve to send out exact text on referring to a prior version.
   - Francoise and Bassam to figure out what should happen when you get the
     size of a string constant.
   - Bassam and Ghassan to prioritize list of issues with Read API.
   - Bassam to file a Mantis Item and add a proposal to resolve the issues
     with arguments to property inst.
   - Chas to send SV-BS request to work on Item 0672.
   - Chas to add to agenda a discussion of additional meeting times.
   - Chas to send SV-AC notification of our acceptance of the proposal for Item 1361.
   - Chas to send the P1800 committee a request that the other committees be
     clear when a member of the committee is speaking for the committee.
   - JohnS to write draft of request to P1800 for more time.
   - Chas to update Item 1570.
   - Chas to ask the editor about Item 0417.
   - Steve to write a proposal for dealing with the inconsistencies with the
     protection properties.
   - Abi to set up conference calls to talk about handle lifetime.
   - Chas to set up face to face meeting at DVCon.
   - Chas to send message to P1800 committee requesting additional time.
   - Chas to talk with editor on re-arranging the VPI that is outside of the
     VPI sections.
   - Bassam and Lisa Piper to work on issues found in Item 1503.


9.  Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals)

   - Item 2094 Need to extend VPI to handle class specializations
   - Item 0748 vpiParent of var select can only be array var
   - Item 1599 The assertion API and VPI sections need changes as per mantis #805
   - Item 1230 How to represent packed arrays of complex types in VPI
   - Item 2218 Clarify meaning of vpi_compare_objects()
   - Item 2216 Details missing from VPI Generates object diagram
   - Item 2143 How should VPI handle index expressions with side effects?
   - Item 2054 Draft 3A, Section 40 - Deprecate Data Read API


10. Next meeting

    The next SV-CC meeting will be on 01/16/2008.
    The next P1800 meeting will be on 01/31/2008.

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