[sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting Minutes for 01/30/2008

Minutes of 01/30/2008 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES
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xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
---xx-x-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan
xxxxxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga
-x--xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
x-xxx-xxxx---xx--xxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking
xxx-xxxxx-xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara
xxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
xx-xxxxxxxx---xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory
xxxxxxxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse
xxx-xx-x------xxx-x--x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli
x-xxx-------------x-----xx----------- Steve Dovich
xxxx--------------------------------- John Shields
xxx--x-xxxxx--xxxx------------------- Anil Arora
------x-xxxx--xxxx------------------- Pankaj Pal
--------x-x----xx-------------------- Arjinder Vasir
---------------------x--------------- Stu Sutherland
-------------------x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil
----------x-------------------------- Neil Korpusik
-------x----------------------------- John Havlicek


1.  Reviewed Patent information

   - Chas reviewed the patent information which can be
     found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt


2.  Reviewed minutes for 01/16/2008
   On issue 2094 JimV asked to change "postpone debate" to "postpone further debate".
   Chas noted that he had the wrong date for today's meeting.
   Steve/Chuck.  ACCEPTED


3.  Liaisons

   - Champions did not finish all issues, so they are holding an email vote
     which contains some SV-CC issues.  Going until next week.
   - No other meetings to report on.


4.  New business

   - Updated the list as follows:

Project                                    Owner         Mantis Items Proposal available
------------------------------------------ ------------- ------------ ------------------
Class specialization                       JimV          2094         Now
Packed arrays                              Chuck         1230         Now
Handle lifetime                            Abi           2193         Will have proposal after face to face (find date)
Typed parameters                           Francoise     2191         Want to discuss at face to face
Callbacks on dynamic objects               JimV, Bassam, 2015         Now (Michael and Bassam to review still)
                                            Michael
Values with delays on dynamic objects      Chas          2190         02/13/2008
Expressions with side effects              JimV          2143         Now
Data Read API                              Bassam,       Many         See below
                                            Ghassan
Better access to arrays                    Chuck         1688         get_value() proposal shortly.  put_value() 2/13/08
Naming issues for struct and array members Chuck         1593         02/27/2008
VPI causing new objs to exist              Abi, Chuck    2192         2193 is a prerequisite
JEITA: Give a overarching name for APIs    John          1835         02/27/2008

   - Update on the Read API items

     Chas will put the Read API issues on the agenda to review next time.  Abi thinks that
     it may require us to see an entire chapter in order to see what it would look like in
     order to decide if we want to keep it.  Bassam thinks most of the changes are editorial
     in nature, not technical.  JimV thinks that we should have trouble seeing the forest
     for all the trees.  John asked how many pages were in the Read API section and how big
     it would be when done.  Bassam thinks it is about 27 pages.  Chas to ask the editor
     that we if we could get the Read API framemaker, or somehow get these done ASAP so we
     could see the whole thing.

     Chas thinks we should have a separate meeting.  Abi is not interested in that.
     Francoise and JimV would be willing.  Chas suggests we try to have another meeting on
     it next Wednesday at the usual time.  Michael and Abi may not be there.  We will conduct
     business if there is quorum.

   - Item 1837 - sent back to us from the Champions

     Chas neglected to update the proposal with the friendly amendment.  After looking at it
     further, we realized that we should not have the labels.  Causes some readability issues
     for legacy applications.  We should add the note similar to 36-16 detail 19 (draft 4).
     And update section number to reflect draft 4.
     Abi/Chuck.  PASSED.  Chas will update the proposal.

   - Items 1648, 1682, 2037, 1702 - Champions want SV-CC to review

     JimV would like to compare the changed model diagrams against the BNF.
     volunteers
       1648 - Skip until SV-AC addresses
       1682 - Abi
       2037 - John
       1702 - JimV

   - Item 2262
     Steve has a proposal.  Should not be controversial.
     Abi asked if there was a way we could spend less time in our meetings
     on items which were not controversial, so that they could be taken care
     of earlier in the meeting.  Steve suggested we add a consent agenda section
     to the agenda.  Chas to implement.

Motion to adjourn: Chuck/Michael.  Meeting ended at 1:10pm


5.  Reviewed items with proposals


6.  Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only)


7.  Old Business


8.  Action items

   - Francoise and Bassam to continue work on assignment patterns.
   - Francoise and Bassam to figure out what should happen when you get the
     size of a string constant.
   - Chas to update Item 1570.
   - Chas to ask the editor about Item 0417.
   - Steve to write a proposal for dealing with the inconsistencies with the
     protection properties.
   - Chas to talk with editor on re-arranging the VPI that is outside of the
     VPI sections.
   - Bassam, JimV, and Lisa Piper to work on issues found in Item 1503.
   - Chas to ask the editor for the framemaker for the Data Read API.
   - Chas to implement a "consent agenda".

9.  Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals)

   - Item 1230 How to represent packed arrays of complex types in VPI
   - Item 2218 Clarify meaning of vpi_compare_objects()
   - Item 2216 Details missing from VPI Generates object diagram
   - Item 2143 How should VPI handle index expressions with side effects?
   - Item 2054 Draft 3A, Section 40 - Deprecate Data Read API
   - Item 2094 Need to extend VPI to handle class specializations
   - Item 1599 The assertion API and VPI sections need changes as per mantis #805
   - Item 2262

10. Next meeting

    There will be a special SV-CC meeting on the Data Read API on 02/06/2008.
    The next SV-CC meeting will be on 02/13/2008.
    The next P1800 meeting will be on 01/31/2008.

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