Minutes of 03/19/2008 SV-CC Meeting. ATTENDEES 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000 88888887777777777777777777777777666666666 00000001111100000000000000000000111110000 33221112210099888876655443322111221009988 11213101002121221012020212121310200212131 92730629574062925180639518484173068517306 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson xx-xxxxxxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga -xxxx-xxx-xxxx---xx--xxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle -xxxxx-xxxxxxxx---xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse -xxxx-xxx-------------x-----xx----------- Steve Dovich xxxxxxxx--------------------------------- John Shields x-x-xxx--x-xxxxx--xxxx------------------- Anil Arora ========================================= --x-xxx-xx-x------xxx-x--x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli -------xx-x-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan -----x--xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk ----------x-xxxx--xxxx------------------- Pankaj Pal ------------x-x----xx-------------------- Arjinder Vasir -x-----------------------x--------------- Stu Sutherland -----------------------x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil --------------x-------------------------- Neil Korpusik -----------x----------------------------- John Havlicek -x--------------------------------------- Erik Seligman 1. Reviewed Patent information - Chas reviewed the patent information which can be found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt 2. Approval of agenda Anil pointed out that the GMT was incorrect. Should be 3:30. Chas will fix for next time. Francoise/Chuck. ACCEPTED 3. Reviewed minutes for 03/12/2008 Chuck/JimV. ACCEPTED 4. Liaisons - Francoise attended SV-EC and SV-BC committee meetings. Lots of discussion on checkers. The general feeling was that there was still work to be done to integrate them into the overall SystemVerilog language. Lots of people were not in favor of accepting the proposal as is right now. SV-BC and SV-CC will have meetings again next week. Chas needs to update mantis and send Francoise a list for tomorrow. - There is also a Champions meeting tomorrow. - No other meetings to report on. 5. Consent Agenda 6. Expedited Agenda Items - Update on the Dynamic Objects proposal (John?) Stu sent John the framemaker docs this past Sunday night. John has created a change record based on 36 (diagrams) that incorporates all the anticipated changes, along with the needed changes in the beginning of that section. It is being reviewed internally right now. Still working on the VPI routines definition clause, which has been seen in another document. Hopes to finish that today. John's expectation to have the drafts available today for tomorrow's meeting. Chas suggests that he update the Mantis item with the proposal and send email to the reflector. - Item 2262 Missing definition in vpi_user.h for vpiIsProtected JimV/Francoise. PASSED (unanimous) - Item 1688 Performance of VPI access to memories and MDAs is inadequate Long discussion on whether or not to include a vpiObjVal, strings, ...etc. Francoise asked if this could be used to get the value of a slice. Chuck said that the indices had to be fully specified. JimV argued that it inherently accesses a slice. Chuck and John talked about how to exclude dynamic elements correctly. Translating from one format to another should follow language rules. - Chas asked what we should do about not getting everything done Abi suggested that we try to look at things ahead of time. JimV not willing to go too much longer than usual. - Chas commented that today is the deadline for getting in proposals for items to be voted on next week. 7. New business - Item 1942 Should we add a sentence to explain what the object we are talking about. Chuck had to read it several times before "the iteration on index talking about the member" made sense to him. Francoise pointed out that it is already approved. JimV thinks it is wrong. Abi thinks it just needs further clarification. JimV moves that the chair ask the P1800 to not reopen this Item. Chuck seconds. ACCEPTED. Motion to adjourn: JimV/Chuck. Meeting ended at 1:06pm 8. Reviewed items with proposals 9. Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only) 10. Old Business 11. Action items - Francoise and Bassam to continue work on assignment patterns. - Francoise and Bassam to figure out what should happen when you get the size of a string constant. - Chas to update Item 1570. - Chas to ask the editor about Item 0417. - Steve to write a proposal for dealing with the inconsistencies with the protection properties. - Chas to talk with editor on re-arranging the VPI that is outside of the VPI sections. - Bassam, JimV, and Lisa Piper to work on issues found in Item 1503. - Chas to ask the editor for the framemaker for the Data Read API. - Chas to implement a "consent agenda" and an "Expedited Proposals" in agenda. - Chas to add an "Agenda Approval" to the agenda. - Chas to schedule another Data Read API meeting after DVCon. - Bassam to implement the friendly amendment to Item 1599. - Chas to ask John Havlicek to join the SV-CC meeting when we discuss SV-AC issues. - Chas to ask the SV-AC to fix the #defines in proposal for Item 2005. - Francoise to bring up the issues we found with Item 2250 at Champions meeting. - Chuck to update proposal for Item 1230 with three friendly amendments. - JimV to add friendly amendment to proposal for Item 2216. - Chas to enter Mantis Items for Krzysztof Konopko's questions - Chas to tell SV-AC that we are okay with Item 2005 provided the move the #define - Chas to ask P1800 to reopen Item 1942. 12. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have proposals) - Item 2143 How should VPI handle index expressions with side effects? - Item 2054 Draft 3A, Section 40 - Deprecate Data Read API - Item 2094 Need to extend VPI to handle class specializations - Item 1599 The assertion API and VPI sections need changes as per mantis #805 - Item 0555 31.1 Introduction not needed in context of the larger document - Item 0556 31.2 Beginning of this section not needed in larger context of spec - Item 0557 31.3.1 specific references to objects should be removed - Item 0558 31.3.3 rename section to "Access availability" - Item 0560 31.4.1 & 31.4.2.1 Overloading vpi_handle() is a bad idea - Item 0561 31.4.2 vpi_free_object() should be explicitly referenced here - Item 0562 31.5 needless restriction on traverse object creation - poor terminology - Item 0563 31.5 diagram in figure 31-18 needs to be redrawn - Item 0565 31.6 remove first paragraph of this section - Item 0570 31.8.1 Need prototype for vpi_load_extension() - Item 0571 31.8.1 unnecessary complication added for vpi_close() - Item 0572 31.8 make use of the term 'user' - Item 0580 31.8.4 section is not necessary and colloquial - Item 0583 31.8.4.2 terminology first defined in a footnote? - Item 0584 31.8.4.2 implies that vpi_goto() creates new handle - Item 0593 31.12 Routines should be in table format - Item 2146 Data read API description references wrong header file - Item 2148 Unclear statement about error handling after calling vpi_unload() - Item 1688 Performance of VPI access to memories and MDAs is inadequate 13. Next meeting The next SV-CC meeting will be on 03/26/2008. The next P1800 meeting will be on 03/27/2008. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.Received on Mon Mar 24 10:09:07 2008
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