Perhaps. In any event, I wasn't able to find any previous reference to Mantis item 1942 since the minutes of December 7 of last year. This is becoming crucial, because John's last posting of suggested changes to clause 37 (Mantis item 2226) removes the paragraph altogether. Probably not what we want, but perhaps better than having the wrong stuff enshrined in the standard. Regards, Jim Vellenga --------------------------------------------------------- James H. Vellenga 978-262-6381 Software Architect (FAX) 978-262-6636 Cadence Design Systems, Inc. vellenga@cadence.com 270 Billerica Rd Chelmsford, MA 01824-4179 "We all work with partial information." ---------------------------------------------------------- ]-----Original Message----- ]From: Chuck Berking ]Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:12 AM ]To: Jim Vellenga ]Cc: Charlie Dawson; sv-cc@eda.org ]Subject: RE: [sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting Minutes for 03/19/2008 ] ]My recollection is that, since it was already approved and we ]were confident enough in passing a replacement for it (in ]#2226) that we decided to reverse our original decision to ]reopen it, and instead just leave it in the pipeline, i.e. ]allow it to be replaced later by the #2226 change. ] ]Are there other views ? ]-CB ] ]-----Original Message----- ]From: owner-sv-cc@eda.org [mailto:owner-sv-cc@eda.org] On ]Behalf Of Jim Vellenga ]Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:59 AM ]To: Charlie Dawson; sv-cc@eda.org ]Subject: RE: [sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting Minutes for 03/19/2008 ] ]On item 1942, I thought I had moved that we ask the ]Working Group "to reopen this Item" rather than "to ]not reopen this Item." What do others remember? ] ]Regards, ]Jim ] ]--------------------------------------------------------- ]James H. Vellenga 978-262-6381 ]Software Architect (FAX) 978-262-6636 ]Cadence Design Systems, Inc. vellenga@cadence.com ]270 Billerica Rd ]Chelmsford, MA 01824-4179 ]"We all work with partial information." ]---------------------------------------------------------- ] ]]-----Original Message----- ]]From: owner-sv-cc@eda.org [mailto:owner-sv-cc@eda.org] On ]]Behalf Of Charlie Dawson ]]Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:08 PM ]]To: sv-cc@eda.org ]]Subject: [sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting Minutes for 03/19/2008 ]] ]]Minutes of 03/19/2008 SV-CC Meeting. ]] ]]ATTENDEES ]]00000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ]]88888887777777777777777777777777666666666 ]]00000001111100000000000000000000111110000 ]]33221112210099888876655443322111221009988 ]]11213101002121221012020212121310200212131 ]]92730629574062925180639518484173068517306 ]]xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson ]]xx-xxxxxxxxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga ]]-xxxx-xxx-xxxx---xx--xxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder ]]xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking ]]xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara ]]xxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle ]]-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx---xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory ]]xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse ]]-xxxx-xxx-------------x-----xx----------- Steve Dovich ]]xxxxxxxx--------------------------------- John Shields ]]x-x-xxx--x-xxxxx--xxxx------------------- Anil Arora ]]========================================= ]]--x-xxx-xx-x------xxx-x--x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli ]]-------xx-x-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan ]]-----x--xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk ]]----------x-xxxx--xxxx------------------- Pankaj Pal ]]------------x-x----xx-------------------- Arjinder Vasir ]]-x-----------------------x--------------- Stu Sutherland ]]-----------------------x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil ]]--------------x-------------------------- Neil Korpusik ]]-----------x----------------------------- John Havlicek ]]-x--------------------------------------- Erik Seligman ]] ]]1. Reviewed Patent information ]] ]] - Chas reviewed the patent information which can be ]] found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt ]] ]]2. Approval of agenda ]] ]] Anil pointed out that the GMT was incorrect. Should be 3:30. ]] Chas will fix for next time. ]] Francoise/Chuck. ACCEPTED ]] ]] ]]3. Reviewed minutes for 03/12/2008 ]] ]] Chuck/JimV. ACCEPTED ]] ]] ]]4. Liaisons ]] ]] - Francoise attended SV-EC and SV-BC committee meetings. ]] Lots of discussion on checkers. The general feeling was ]]that there ]] was still work to be done to integrate them into the ]]overall SystemVerilog ]] language. Lots of people were not in favor of accepting ]]the proposal as ]] is right now. SV-BC and SV-CC will have meetings again ]next week. ]] Chas needs to update mantis and send Francoise a list for ]]tomorrow. ]] - There is also a Champions meeting tomorrow. ]] - No other meetings to report on. ]] ]] ]]5. Consent Agenda ]] ]] ]]6. Expedited Agenda Items ]] ]] - Update on the Dynamic Objects proposal (John?) ]] Stu sent John the framemaker docs this past Sunday night. ]] John has created ]] a change record based on 36 (diagrams) that incorporates ]]all the anticipated ]] changes, along with the needed changes in the beginning ]]of that section. It ]] is being reviewed internally right now. Still working on ]]the VPI routines ]] definition clause, which has been seen in another ]]document. Hopes to finish ]] that today. John's expectation to have the drafts ]]available today for tomorrow's ]] meeting. Chas suggests that he update the Mantis item ]]with the proposal and send ]] email to the reflector. ]] ]] - Item 2262 Missing definition in vpi_user.h for vpiIsProtected ]] JimV/Francoise. PASSED (unanimous) ]] ]] - Item 1688 Performance of VPI access to memories and MDAs ]]is inadequate ]] Long discussion on whether or not to include a vpiObjVal, ]]strings, ...etc. ]] Francoise asked if this could be used to get the value of ]]a slice. Chuck ]] said that the indices had to be fully specified. JimV ]]argued that it inherently ]] accesses a slice. Chuck and John talked about how to ]]exclude dynamic elements ]] correctly. Translating from one format to another should ]]follow language rules. ]] ]] - Chas asked what we should do about not getting everything done ]] Abi suggested that we try to look at things ahead of ]]time. JimV not willing to ]] go too much longer than usual. ]] ]] - Chas commented that today is the deadline for getting in ]]proposals for items to be ]] voted on next week. ]] ]]7. New business ]] ]] - Item 1942 ]] Should we add a sentence to explain what the object we ]]are talking about. Chuck ]] had to read it several times before "the iteration on ]]index talking about the member" ]] made sense to him. Francoise pointed out that it is ]]already approved. JimV thinks ]] it is wrong. Abi thinks it just needs further ]]clarification. JimV moves that the ]] chair ask the P1800 to not reopen this Item. Chuck ]]seconds. ACCEPTED. ]] ]]Motion to adjourn: JimV/Chuck. Meeting ended at 1:06pm ]] ]] ]]8. Reviewed items with proposals ]] ]] ]]9. Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only) ]] ]] ]]10. Old Business ]] ]] ]]11. Action items ]] ]] - Francoise and Bassam to continue work on assignment patterns. ]] - Francoise and Bassam to figure out what should happen ]]when you get the ]] size of a string constant. ]] - Chas to update Item 1570. ]] - Chas to ask the editor about Item 0417. ]] - Steve to write a proposal for dealing with the ]]inconsistencies with the ]] protection properties. ]] - Chas to talk with editor on re-arranging the VPI that is ]]outside of the ]] VPI sections. ]] - Bassam, JimV, and Lisa Piper to work on issues found in ]Item 1503. ]] - Chas to ask the editor for the framemaker for the Data Read API. ]] - Chas to implement a "consent agenda" and an "Expedited ]]Proposals" in agenda. ]] - Chas to add an "Agenda Approval" to the agenda. ]] - Chas to schedule another Data Read API meeting after DVCon. ]] - Bassam to implement the friendly amendment to Item 1599. ]] - Chas to ask John Havlicek to join the SV-CC meeting when ]]we discuss SV-AC issues. ]] - Chas to ask the SV-AC to fix the #defines in proposal for ]]Item 2005. ]] - Francoise to bring up the issues we found with Item 2250 ]]at Champions meeting. ]] - Chuck to update proposal for Item 1230 with three ]]friendly amendments. ]] - JimV to add friendly amendment to proposal for Item 2216. ]] - Chas to enter Mantis Items for Krzysztof Konopko's questions ]] - Chas to tell SV-AC that we are okay with Item 2005 ]]provided the move the #define ]] - Chas to ask P1800 to reopen Item 1942. ]] ]]12. Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already ]]have proposals) ]] ]] - Item 2143 How should VPI handle index expressions with ]]side effects? ]] - Item 2054 Draft 3A, Section 40 - Deprecate Data Read API ]] - Item 2094 Need to extend VPI to handle class specializations ]] - Item 1599 The assertion API and VPI sections need changes ]]as per mantis #805 ]] - Item 0555 31.1 Introduction not needed in context of the ]]larger document ]] - Item 0556 31.2 Beginning of this section not needed in ]]larger context of spec ]] - Item 0557 31.3.1 specific references to objects should be removed ]] - Item 0558 31.3.3 rename section to "Access availability" ]] - Item 0560 31.4.1 & 31.4.2.1 Overloading vpi_handle() is ]a bad idea ]] - Item 0561 31.4.2 vpi_free_object() should be explicitly ]]referenced here ]] - Item 0562 31.5 needless restriction on traverse object ]]creation - poor terminology ]] - Item 0563 31.5 diagram in figure 31-18 needs to be redrawn ]] - Item 0565 31.6 remove first paragraph of this section ]] - Item 0570 31.8.1 Need prototype for vpi_load_extension() ]] - Item 0571 31.8.1 unnecessary complication added for vpi_close() ]] - Item 0572 31.8 make use of the term 'user' ]] - Item 0580 31.8.4 section is not necessary and colloquial ]] - Item 0583 31.8.4.2 terminology first defined in a footnote? ]] - Item 0584 31.8.4.2 implies that vpi_goto() creates new handle ]] - Item 0593 31.12 Routines should be in table format ]] - Item 2146 Data read API description references wrong header file ]] - Item 2148 Unclear statement about error handling after ]]calling vpi_unload() ]] - Item 1688 Performance of VPI access to memories and MDAs ]]is inadequate ]] ]] ]]13. Next meeting ]] ]] The next SV-CC meeting will be on 03/26/2008. ]] The next P1800 meeting will be on 03/27/2008. ]] ]] ]] ]] ]]-- ]]This message has been scanned for viruses and ]]dangerous content by MailScanner, and is ]]believed to be clean. ]] ]] ] ]-- ]This message has been scanned for viruses and ]dangerous content by MailScanner, and is ]believed to be clean. ] ] ] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.Received on Tue Mar 25 13:49:25 2008
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