[sv-cc] RE: references, bibliography (fwd)

This does not help much.
It still means all the chapter numbers that people have been used to for
years are going to change. It's also going to make some of the PTF deprecation
text look funny: for example, do we say that Clauses 21-25 were omitted
(2001 numbering) or 22-26 (2005 numbering)?

The only suggestion I have is to fold 1364 clause 11 into 10, which will
save the numbering of 12 and on.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:20:24 -0500
From: n.humenick@ieee.org
To: stuart@sutherland-hdl.com, m.d.turner@ieee.org
Cc: Shalom.Bresticker@freescale.com, Neil.Korpusik@Sun.COM,
     tom_fitzpatrick@mentorg.com, chas@cadence.com, johny.srouji@intel.com
Subject: RE: references, bibliography
Stu:
I defer to your project editor...
Michelle:
With due deference given to the time constraints of this project, is making
the references Clause 2 a requirement for the development stages of the
document or can this be clause 1.2 in the draft, and Clause 2 in the final
publication?
Thanks,
Noelle
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All,
I was just dealing with this same problem this weekend, as I re-wrote the
intro and overview of the P1800 LRM to meet the IEEE document guidelines.
Adding the "normative references" section per the IEEE guideline would
re-number all of the LRM sections.  For the P1800 manual, this renumbering
would impact the standard in two ways:
A) The hundreds of change order descriptions would refer to the wrong
clause
numbers.  Since I now have all of the changes made except about 30 changes
that are all to the same section (VPI diagrams), renumbering is not going
to
confuse the editing process.  However, it would be confusing to those that
have to review the editing.
B) The P1800 LRM contains several dozen, perhaps more than 100, cross
references to the 1364 LRM.  These cross references are not automatic
links,
because they are to a different document.  If the LRM sections are
renumbered, it would be a manual process to find and change all of the
references in the P1800 LRM.  There is a risk of missing some.
For the moment, in the P1800 LRM, I have added the "normative references"
as
the last subclause in the overview clause, Clause 1.  This places it in the
same place as if it were Clause 2, but does not renumber the remaining
clauses.
The real question (for you, Noelle) is whether the IEEE guideline for a
"Clause 2 Normative References" is a requirement or a recommendation.  Is
making this a subclause of Clause 1 sufficient to meet the IEEE
requirements?  Note that the IEEE documentation guideline does say that a
document might not have a "normative references" clause at all, but that is
not the question here.  Both the 1364 and 1800 LRMs do reference other
standards, and need this info as either a clause or subclause.
Stu
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> Subject: Re: references, bibliography
>
> Probably we also need to put 1364-2001 Version C in the
> References or in the Bibliography, at least for the sake of
> the deprecated PLI clauses.
>
> Noelle, what is the official IEEE Standards meaning of the
> term "deprecation"? I can't find it at the moment.
> I want to be sure we are using the term correctly.
>
> Thanks,
> Shalom
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