RE: [sv-cc] RE: [sv-champions] Email vote - ending August 13th

John,

Can you give an example of strikeouts that were in the version you
received from Stu, i.e., not part of the proposal? Are any of them red,
or are they other colors?

If all red strikeouts are part of the proposal, I guess I can handle it,
but the editor will need to say that he is willing to accept a proposal
where both the FROM and TO parts of changes he needs to implement.

Regards,
Shalom 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Shields [mailto:John_Shields@mentor.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:36 AM
> To: Jim Vellenga
> Cc: Bresticker, Shalom; Neil.Korpusik@sun.com; 
> sv-champions@eda.org; SV-CC
> Subject: Re: [sv-cc] RE: [sv-champions] Email vote - ending 
> August 13th
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have been out of the office since last Wednesday.  
> Tomorrow, when I return, I will absorb the Champions feedback 
> and try to address the issues. Some of the strikeouts were in 
> the version I got from Stu, and I would not have re-colorized 
> any of that.  I can re-verify starting from that base version.
> We reviewed this a number of times, with the structural model 
> and colorization for the edits.  We saw what we expected to 
> see, so it should be reasonable to clarify for you. I am only 
> in the office Tu and We this week, so I will be prompt.
> 
> Thanks for your patience,
> John
> 
> Jim Vellenga wrote:
> > Shalom, I agree that the changes are confusing.
> >
> > John, who put this proposal together, hasn't responded yet, 
> so let me 
> > say what I remember.  In order to simplify the changes for 
> Stu, John 
> > Shields asked him for a copy of work in progress, and 
> annotated that.  
> > When this first happened, the copy that he obtained was 
> between draft
> > 5 and draft 6.  You'll see from the note at the top of the proposal 
> > for clause 36 that Stu's existing changes are supposed to 
> be in green, 
> > although I haven't confirmed that all those changes are in draft 6.
> >
> > You have observed, correctly I believe, that the strikeouts are 
> > occurring in the "REPLACE" section rather than in the 
> "WITH" section, 
> > and that this is unusual.  In John's defense, I will note 
> that when we 
> > do strikeouts from the diagrams, we really haven't had any other 
> > choice; John seems to have extended this practice to the 
> text parts as 
> > well.
> >
> > However, I have paged through the proposal for 36 just now 
> myself and 
> > it looks pretty clear that all the strikeouts marked in red 
> are as the 
> > SV-CC intended as part of the approved proposal.  John 
> seems to have 
> > done that consistently.
> >
> > Would it be helpful to invite John to comment on specific instances?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Vellenga
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------- 
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> > "We all work with partial information." 
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> >
> > ]-----Original Message-----
> > ]From: owner-sv-cc@eda.org [mailto:owner-sv-cc@eda.org] On 
> ]Behalf Of 
> > Bresticker, Shalom
> > ]Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:34 AM
> > ]To: Bresticker, Shalom; Neil.Korpusik@sun.com; sv-champions@eda.org
> > ]Cc: SV-CC
> > ]Subject: [sv-cc] RE: [sv-champions] Email vote - ending 
> August 13th ] 
> > ]Similarly, the diagram for 36.17 Variable select (should be
> > ]36.18) shows
> > ]"vpiValid" being deleted (red strikeout) in the FROM part, 
> ]while it 
> > does ]exist in Draft 6.
> > ]
> > ]It looks like many of the deletions are being shown in the FROM 
> > parts, ]while additions are being shown in the TO parts.
> > ]
> > ]Also, as noted above, some of the section numbers are 
> ]different in 
> > Draft ]6.
> > ]
> > ]Regards,
> > ]Shalom
> > ]
> > ]> -----Original Message-----
> > ]> From: owner-sv-champions@server.eda.org ]> 
> > [mailto:owner-sv-champions@server.eda.org] On Behalf Of ]> 
> Bresticker, 
> > Shalom ]> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:38 PM ]> To: 
> > Neil.Korpusik@Sun.COM; sv-champions@server.eda.org ]> Cc: SV-CC ]> 
> > Subject: RE: [sv-champions] Email vote - ending August 13th ]> ]> 
> > Something is not clear about Mantis 2226.
> > ]>
> > ]> A part of the proposal changes the details of Section 
> 36.16, ]> the 
> > VPI diagram for 36.16.
> > ]> A page numbered 798 has "REPLACE diagram on next page:", ]> 
> > followed by pages 799-802, "WITH diagram on next page:" on ]> page 
> > 803, followed by pages 804-807.
> > ]>
> > ]> What is not clear to me is that p. 801, in the "FROM" 
> > ]> section, shows details 23 and 26-28 with red-strikeouts, 
> ]> whereas 
> > in Draft 6, the details exist and have not been deleted.
> > ]>
> > ]> I don't know whether someone thought they were supposed to be ]> 
> > struck out in Draft 6, or there is another proposal for Draft ]> 7 
> > that strikes them out, or whether this proposal is striking ]> them 
> > out.
> > ]>
> > ]> Regards,
> > ]> Shalom
> > ]>
> > ]> > -----Original Message-----
> > ]> > From: owner-sv-champions@server.eda.org ]> > 
> > [mailto:owner-sv-champions@server.eda.org] On Behalf Of ]> Neil 
> > Korpusik ]> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:53 AM ]> > To: 
> > sv-champions@server.eda.org ]> > Cc: sv-sc@server.eda.org ]> > 
> > Subject: [sv-champions] Email vote - ending August 13th ]> > ]> > 
> > SystemVerilog Champions, ]> > ]> > This is a call for an 
> abbreviated 
> > email vote. As we agreed ]> to in the ]> > conference call this 
> > morning, this email vote will run for 6 days, ]> > ending on 
> > Wednesday, August 13th (7pm PST).
> > ]> >
> > ]> >
> > ]> > List of Mantis items for a Champion's email vote:
> > ]> > -------------------------------------------------
> > ]> > 1. 2226  Approve the proposal                  Yes ___ No ___ 
> > ]> > Abstain ___
> > ]> 
> > 
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