RE: [sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting Minutes for 11/07/2007

hi everyone
If anyone besides Jim, Chuck and Chas is interested in working on the
dynamic objects proposal with me, please let me know,
thanks,
Abi 

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Subject: [sv-cc] SV-CC Meeting Minutes for 11/07/2007

Minutes of 11/07/2007 SV-CC Meeting.

ATTENDEES
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xxxxxxxxx-xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx Charles Dawson
-x-xxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx-x-xxxx Ralph Duncan
xxxxxx--xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Vellenga
x--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxx-x-xxx Andrzej Litwiniuk
-xxxx---xx--xxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxx-x Michael Rohleder
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx Chuck Berking
xxxx-xx--xx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxx Bassam Tabbara
xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx-xx-xx-x-xxxxxxx Francoise Martinolle
xxxxxx---xxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx- Ghassan Khoory
xxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx Abigail Moorhouse
-x-xxxx--xxxx------------------- Pankaj Pal
x-xxxxx--xxxx------------------- Anil Arora
---x-x----xx-------------------- Arjinder Vasir
x-x------xxx-x--x--xxxx----xx-xx Amit Kohli
----------------x--------------- Stu Sutherland
--------------x----------------- Gord Vreugdenhil
-------------x-----xx----------- Steve Dovich
-----x-------------------------- Neil Korpusik
--x----------------------------- John Havlicek

1.  Reviewed Patent information

   - Chas reviewed the patent information which can be
     found at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt


2.  Reviewed minutes for 10/24/2007
   Chuck/Abi.  ACCEPTED


3.  Liaisons

   - No other meetings to report on.


4.  New business

   - Finalize schedule (see separate email)
     Chas got most dates from people.  Will send out schedule once
complete.

   - Should we meet more often/longer?  (see separate email)
     Ghassan would prefer to extend the meeting.
     Abi would prefer not to extend the meeting.  Abi would prefer
creating sub-committees
     to handle the meat of the problems.  Chuck is okay with any of the
proposals.
     Decided for now that each person responsible for a major topic will
try to form
     informal working groups so that more progress can be made outside
of our normal meeting.

   - Item 1456 Clarify, circumscribe restrictions on use of DPI context
utilities
     Ralph had found another issue when reviewing the changes which were
passed for this
     item.  We should vote again to accept his new change.
     Abi/Chuck.  PASSED (unanimous)

   - State of the Mantis Items.  Any issues?
     Chas described the changes to the mantis items.  Asked that if
anyone finds mistakes
     to please let him know.

   - Declare Item 2152 as a duplicate of Item 2097?
     This is an SV-BC item.  They need to close it out.

   - Update PASSED items to reflect draft 4 (i.e. 1837)
     Champions are meeting tomorrow.  Please update proposals to reflect
draft 4.
     Champions had a backlog, not sure now.  Meeting every 2 or 3 weeks.
     Will be reviewing 1751 1942 1570 1367 tomorrow.

   - Move Item 1503 to SV-AC?
     Chas asked that the SV-AC send the proposal back when they are done
so we can
     review it.
     Chuck moves to send to SV-AC.  Bassam seconds.  ACCEPTED
(unanimous)

   - DPI changes for disabling tasks consuming time
     Section 26-8 in 1800-2005.  This has a protocol for disabling an
exported task.
     It must return a value of one.  In the case of an imported task has
been disabled
     it can detect that.  They are supposed to be transparent to the
user that they
     are calling a foreign task.  Since SystemVerilog tasks don't return
a value,
     the return value is not needed.  Chas recommended that Amit talk
with Ralph and
     Doug Warmke.

   - vpiValid discussion
     Need a lightweight object.  The lifetime and having a value should
go with the
     type of the object.  Creating different kinds of objects depending
on whether or
     not they are static or have values.  Long discussion on what we
should do with
     this.  Abi is getting towards a proposal.  There is still a lot of
disagreement
     or misunderstanding to be worked out though.

   - No more new business.


5.  Reviewed items with proposals

   - Item 2009 HDL example shown in detail 3 section 36.14 (Reference
objects) has errors.
     Chuck checked and the section in draft 4 has not changed.  Chuck
needs to update the
     reference to be to draft 4.
     Abi/JimV.  PASSED (unanimous) as amended.

Motion to adjourn.  Chuck/JimV.  Meeting adjourned at 1:00pm.


6.  Reviewed SV-CC items with proposals (Straw poll only)


7.  Old Business


8.  Action items

   - Francoise and Bassam to continue work on assignment patterns.
   - Francoise to champion adding support for typed parameters to the
     typespec diagrams.
   - Abi/JimV to champion improving the ability to compare objects.
   - Steve to send out exact text on referring to a prior version.
   - Francoise and Bassam to figure out what should happen when you get
the
     size of a string constant.
   - Bassam and Ghassan to prioritize list of issues with Read API.
   - Bassam to file a Mantis Item and add a proposal to resolve the
issues
     with arguments to property inst.
   - Chas to send SV-BS request to work on Item 0672.
   - Chas to add to agenda a discussion of additional meeting times.
   - Chas to send SV-AC notification of our acceptance of the proposal
for Item 1361.


9.  Items for consideration at the next meeting (they already have
proposals)

   - Item 1741 1800-2005 Section 27.50 Issues with foreach diagram
   - Item 2054 Draft 3A, Section 40 - Deprecate Data Read API
   - Item 1952 "Null Argument" to mean "omitted Argument" may be
confusing
   - Item 2094 Need to extend VPI to handle class specializations
   - Item 0748 vpiParent of var select can only be array var
   - Item 1599 The assertion API and VPI sections need changes as per
mantis #805


10. Next meeting

    The next SV-CC meeting will be on 11/21/2007.
    The next P1800 meeting will be on 11/15/2007.



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